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Old November 2 2013, 08:32 PM   #241
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If the answer is 'no' are they therefore immune to criticism?
No they arent. So, maybe you should retire that particular comeback, since no one is claiming they can't be criticized.

Success means something. Lindelof, Orci and Kurtzman are in demand as writers and producers. People like their work both in and outside the industry. That some anonymous screenwriters allegedly don't like their work doesn't mean much.
Writers being hyper critical and dismissive of others writers talent and success? Say it ain't so!
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Old November 2 2013, 10:00 PM   #242
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If the answer is 'no' are they therefore immune to criticism?
No they arent. So, maybe you should retire that particular comeback, since no one is claiming they can't be criticized.
I'm inclined to agree.
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Old November 8 2013, 03:27 AM   #243
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Agreed. They also need to get a life and learn about scriptwriting, and also about how media franchises are handled.
Most scriptwriters I talked to don't think their scripts are well made.
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How many of those scriptwriters have written films grossing in the millions of dollars?
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Agreed. They also need to get a life and learn about scriptwriting, and also about how media franchises are handled.
Most scriptwriters I talked to don't think their scripts are well made.
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How many of those scriptwriters have written films grossing in the millions of dollars?
How would anyone know? The script is a blueprint, but many times what makes it to the screen is far different that what's on written on the page.

Does anyone have any draft that Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof turned in to compare to what was on screen?
No, what they have is righteous rage that canon wasn't being adhered to, and so that gives then the right to bitch like babies.
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Old November 8 2013, 04:37 AM   #244
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It really has gotten to the point where we have people who just don't like Star Trek anymore because to them, it's dead. Over. They would rather have NOTHING rather than the JJ Abrams films. It really is like praying for our own destruction because at least we would have our "purity." It's become a kind of religion where the followers know the true way and the rest of us are heretics.

Worst off is that we consider any difference as bad. We want more of the same but in a different package. It's safe, it's familiar, but it's no longer art. Orci and the rest of Bad Robot are artists. Creating a Trek that truly belongs in our hearts because they actually care about it. We have people who actually give a damn about Star Trek again, and we're fighting them? How horrible fans can we be?

Orci did the right thing, the thing that any self-respecting artist would do. He defended himself against the slander and now downright lies of the fundamentalists. I harbor no shame in saying that I support him completely. We have become uncaring of our franchise, and we should be ashamed.
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Old November 8 2013, 05:14 AM   #245
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It is hilarious that you have to announce you are not ashamed.

Maybe we all need to change our avatars to lens flare triangles, for solidarity under persecution.
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Old November 8 2013, 05:18 AM   #246
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March on comrades. Keep the faith.
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Old November 8 2013, 06:39 AM   #247
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It is hilarious that you have to announce you are not ashamed.

Maybe we all need to change our avatars to lens flare triangles, for solidarity under persecution.
Or maybe better not - the last time something like that happened as a joke, some people were real soreheads about it and complained that they were being trolled.
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Old November 8 2013, 07:32 AM   #248
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Oh well, I was totally joking here.
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Old November 9 2013, 01:36 AM   #249
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Does anyone have any draft that Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof turned in to compare to what was on screen?
No, what they have is righteous rage that canon wasn't being adhered to, and so that gives then the right to bitch like babies.
That only if you make the assumption that everyone who hated the movie cares about canon. How about the people who don't give a crap about canon who still didn't like the movie?
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Old November 9 2013, 01:49 AM   #250
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That only if you make the assumption that everyone who hated the movie cares about canon. How about the people who don't give a crap about canon who still didn't like the movie?
But I've never seen you as part of the "Star Trek would never do that!!!1!1" crowd.

It's one thing for a movie or movies to not work for some people. World would be a pretty dull place if we all liked the same things. It's another thing to just bitch and moan over and over and over and over, over a movie.
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Old November 9 2013, 02:42 AM   #251
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It really has gotten to the point where we have people who just don't like Star Trek anymore because to them, it's dead. Over. They would rather have NOTHING rather than the JJ Abrams films. It really is like praying for our own destruction because at least we would have our "purity." It's become a kind of religion where the followers know the true way and the rest of us are heretics.

Worst off is that we consider any difference as bad. We want more of the same but in a different package. It's safe, it's familiar, but it's no longer art. Orci and the rest of Bad Robot are artists. Creating a Trek that truly belongs in our hearts because they actually care about it. We have people who actually give a damn about Star Trek again, and we're fighting them? How horrible fans can we be?

Orci did the right thing, the thing that any self-respecting artist would do. He defended himself against the slander and now downright lies of the fundamentalists. I harbor no shame in saying that I support him completely. We have become uncaring of our franchise, and we should be ashamed.
I calle these people that you mentioned above 'foundamentalists' after what Irshad Manji called Muslims who only believe in the founding moment of Islam, and can't get past it to make Islam part of the modern world in her book The Trouble with Islam Today. They don't want nothing, what the want is the original series back on TV, and Orci only gave them a modern version that they (many of whom I suspect are Tea Party members who used to be liberal who are now conservatives with some liberal leanings, so that they can still be Star Trek fans) can't stand, especially the expanded role given to Uhura and her love of Spock (which Roddenberry would have gotten a kick out of, I'll bet!) and the better characterization of all of the characters (making Kirk a flawed person who still has to grow was a great masterstroke.)

What they want is something like Star Trek: Phase II to be made into a full TV show that would air on CBS, The CW, or Showtime, but that won't ever happen, and they know that. That's why they hate the new movies so much, as well as the fact that Star Trek has been revived and is now doing better, and with a younger generation of people. So, lemming like, they fight the new movies and the fans of them, much like the fans of classic BSG hate the new BSG-a sad state of affairs.

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Old November 9 2013, 02:47 AM   #252
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What the hell does anyone's RL politics have to do with whether or not they like nuTrek?
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Re: Bob Orci: Spoke with CBS about returning Trek To TV

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It really has gotten to the point where we have people who just don't like Star Trek anymore because to them, it's dead. Over. They would rather have NOTHING rather than the JJ Abrams films. It really is like praying for our own destruction because at least we would have our "purity." It's become a kind of religion where the followers know the true way and the rest of us are heretics.

Worst off is that we consider any difference as bad. We want more of the same but in a different package. It's safe, it's familiar, but it's no longer art. Orci and the rest of Bad Robot are artists. Creating a Trek that truly belongs in our hearts because they actually care about it. We have people who actually give a damn about Star Trek again, and we're fighting them? How horrible fans can we be?

Orci did the right thing, the thing that any self-respecting artist would do. He defended himself against the slander and now downright lies of the fundamentalists. I harbor no shame in saying that I support him completely. We have become uncaring of our franchise, and we should be ashamed.
I calle these people that you mentioned above 'fundamentalists' after what Irshad Manji called Muslims who only believe in the founding moment of Islam, and can't get past it to make Islam part of the modern world in her book The Trouble with Islam Today. They don't want nothing, what the want is the original series back on TV, and Orci only gave them a modern version that they (many of whom I suspect are Tea Party members who used to be liberal who are now conservatives with some liberal leanings, so that they can still be Star Trek fans) can't stand, especially the expanded role given to Uhura and her love of Spock (which Roddenberry would have gotten a kick out of, I'll bet!) and the better characterization of all of the characters (making Kirk a flawed person who still has to grow was a great masterstroke.)

What they want is something like Star Trek: Phase II to be made into a full TV show that would air on CBS, The CW, or Showtime, but that won't ever happen, and they know that. That's why they hate the new movies so much, as well as the fact that Star Trek has been revived and is now doing better, and with a younger generation of people. So, lemming like, they fight the new movies and the fans of them, much like the fans of classic BSG hate the new BSG-a sad state of affairs.
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Old November 9 2013, 06:45 PM   #254
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This is why we can't have nice things...

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Old November 9 2013, 08:18 PM   #255
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It really has gotten to the point where we have people who just don't like Star Trek anymore because to them, it's dead. Over. They would rather have NOTHING rather than the JJ Abrams films. It really is like praying for our own destruction because at least we would have our "purity." It's become a kind of religion where the followers know the true way and the rest of us are heretics.

Worst off is that we consider any difference as bad. We want more of the same but in a different package. It's safe, it's familiar, but it's no longer art. Orci and the rest of Bad Robot are artists. Creating a Trek that truly belongs in our hearts because they actually care about it. We have people who actually give a damn about Star Trek again, and we're fighting them? How horrible fans can we be?

Orci did the right thing, the thing that any self-respecting artist would do. He defended himself against the slander and now downright lies of the fundamentalists. I harbor no shame in saying that I support him completely. We have become uncaring of our franchise, and we should be ashamed.
I calle these people that you mentioned above 'fundamentalists' after what Irshad Manji called Muslims who only believe in the founding moment of Islam, and can't get past it to make Islam part of the modern world in her book The Trouble with Islam Today. They don't want nothing, what the want is the original series back on TV, and Orci only gave them a modern version that they (many of whom I suspect are Tea Party members who used to be liberal who are now conservatives with some liberal leanings, so that they can still be Star Trek fans) can't stand, especially the expanded role given to Uhura and her love of Spock (which Roddenberry would have gotten a kick out of, I'll bet!) and the better characterization of all of the characters (making Kirk a flawed person who still has to grow was a great masterstroke.)

What they want is something like Star Trek: Phase II to be made into a full TV show that would air on CBS, The CW, or Showtime, but that won't ever happen, and they know that. That's why they hate the new movies so much, as well as the fact that Star Trek has been revived and is now doing better, and with a younger generation of people. So, lemming like, they fight the new movies and the fans of them, much like the fans of classic BSG hate the new BSG-a sad state of affairs.
Yeah. I think we may be wandering a bit far afield here.
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