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Old October 12 2013, 05:31 PM   #16
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Re: How long is a ship used?

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The Klingon D7/K'tinga design has been used for at least 225 years (first appearance: ENT: "Unexpected" in 2151, seen throughout TOS, TNG and DS9) and the Bird of Prey for almost as long. Although I don't know how long each individual ship is supposed to last. Their rusty, worn out appearance suggests they're very old.
Indeed, however "design" doesn't mean "ship".
I always felt that the life of a particular starship design didn't always match up with the life of a particular vessel.

The Galaxy-class may have a design life of 100 years--and maybe one or two of those ships may come close to that--but other ships in that design may be retired far earlier depending on individual circumstances. In "All Good Things...", the Enterprise-D was going to be decommissioned after less than 25 years of service. Conversely, it's possible that the NX-class continued for many decades after NX-01 Enterprise was decommissioned, and her retirement had nothing to do with the design, IMO.
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Old October 12 2013, 06:53 PM   #17
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It's very, VERY inconsistent. The TOS/classic movie Enterprise was due to be retired after 20 years (STIII).
And yet when that ill-nformed and badly written admiral said that, the E was already actually 40 years old.
Maybe Admiral Morrow grew up on Mars so he just slipped up and was talking his native Martian years...

Yeah, the 20 years line was because TOS aired 20 years before the release of TSFS. In-universe it doesn't add up. If we discard all backstage materials, and just use on-screen evidence, a 20 year old Enterprise still has problems. In TWOK, Kirk claims that he hadn't seen Khan in 15 years. TSFS seems to follow right on the heels of TWOK so, given Morrow's 20 year line, that would make Enterprise 5 years old during the first season at the time of "Space Seed." But that doesn't add up, because in "The Menagerie" we learn the Spock served with Pike aboard Enterprise for 11 years. If we assume Kirk took over from Pike less than a year before "Space Seed," that still would make the ship at least 26 years old, by the time of TSFS.

On the other hand, Decker claimed that "this is almost a totally new Enterprise" in TMP. But if TSFS is set 20 years after TMP, then those guys aged remarkably well... And that would push back the date of TSFS. In Voyager we learn that the five-year mission ended in 2270. Seems like some line in TMP made it seem like the refit took two and half years. Let's say 2273. Add twenty years and now TSFS takes place in 2293.

However, maybe a 2293 date would make Kirk's reaction to vintage 2283 Romulan ale more understandable...

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Old October 12 2013, 07:10 PM   #18
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I think Morrow's 20-year line is a case of "real-world time" trumping "in-universe time." One can either substitute 40 for 20, or just chalk it up to Morrow not really knowing how old the Enterprise actually was, but knew she was at least 20 and Starfleet wasn't going to devote any more of its resources keeping an aging cadet vessel operational.
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Old October 13 2013, 03:40 PM   #19
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It's very, VERY inconsistent. The TOS/classic movie Enterprise was due to be retired after 20 years (STIII).
And yet when that ill-nformed and badly written admiral said that, the E was already actually 40 years old.
Maybe Admiral Morrow grew up on Mars so he just slipped up and was talking his native Martian years...

Yeah, the 20 years line was because TOS aired 20 years before the release of TSFS. In-universe it doesn't add up. If we discard all backstage materials, and just use on-screen evidence, a 20 year old Enterprise still has problems. In TWOK, Kirk claims that he hadn't seen Khan in 15 years. TSFS seems to follow right on the heels of TWOK so, given Morrow's 20 year line, that would make Enterprise 5 years old during the first season at the time of "Space Seed." But that doesn't add up, because in "The Menagerie" we learn the Spock served with Pike aboard Enterprise for 11 years. If we assume Kirk took over from Pike less than a year before "Space Seed," that still would make the ship at least 26 years old, by the time of TSFS.

On the other hand, Decker claimed that "this is almost a totally new Enterprise" in TMP. But if TSFS is set 20 years after TMP, then those guys aged remarkably well... And that would push back the date of TSFS. In Voyager we learn that the five-year mission ended in 2270. Seems like some line in TMP made it seem like the refit took two and half years. Let's say 2273. Add twenty years and now TSFS takes place in 2293.

However, maybe a 2293 date would make Kirk's reaction to vintage 2283 Romulan ale more understandable...

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I have no issues with the Enterprise being 40 years old in TSFS. We are forgetting Capt. April. Captain of the Enterprise before Pike.
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Old October 13 2013, 07:35 PM   #20
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I have no issues with the Enterprise being 40 years old in TSFS. We are forgetting Capt. April. Captain of the Enterprise before Pike.
I wasn't forgetting April at all. I was just using only on-screen evidence.

Though if we count TAS (which I only do about half the time, as I'm not as familiar with those stories) I suppose I should have included him as he was featured in (IIRC) "The Counter-Clock Incident."

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Old October 14 2013, 12:10 PM   #21
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So Star Fleet would use every vessel as long as it could be upgraded?
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Old October 14 2013, 12:57 PM   #22
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So Star Fleet would use every vessel as long as it could be upgraded?
I would think so. I would think it would be far cheaper to upgrade then to replace.
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Old October 16 2013, 12:32 PM   #23
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Is there a known graveyard for old vessels?
In one VOY episode we can see something like this in the delta quadrant, but does Star Fleet have something like that?
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Yep, Qualor II seen in "Unification" part 2. Many of the Wolf 359 ships ended up there, along with the Planet of the Titans Enterprise.
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Is there a known graveyard for old vessels?
In one VOY episode we can see something like this in the delta quadrant, but does Star Fleet have something like that?
Sure, there was a TNG where the Enterprise went looking for a ship in a "graveyard" I think it was part of Unification
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