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Old October 15 2013, 06:28 PM   #76
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The same public referred to "Dr. Spock" and laser weapons.
And Abrams is an idiot. He's like a Berman who never got a regular job. The Kirk as Don Juan thing has been debunked repeatedly.
Yes, the public gets stuff wrong. Mostly because their perceptions aren't based on actually watching the show and hearing things second hand.
Yeah, I wonder where we've seen this behaviour before. For example, people talking how ST09 and STID sucked donkey balls well before seeing them...
And some people insist on holding grudges because some of "the public" might not like the same things they like. I did see the 2009 movie. It was crap (in my opinion, of course). I intend to see the other movie as well. I'd be happy if it was any better, but I'm not really expecting much.

I've never made the "Mr./Dr." mistake, however. Not once. In fact, I keep telling Chapters/Indigo (a bookstore chain) that they ought to be wary of selling merchandise that's labeled "Dr. Spock" (and is clearly TOS Spock) - legitimate merchandise wouldn't have that error on their packaging and advertising.

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Whether or not it has been debunked, it is still the perception that the general public has had of the character for the last forty-plus years.
That's true, but if you're recreating original characters based not on the originals but on public perception, aren't you just making parodies or caricatures?
I've seen the tallies that have been done that shows Kirk didn't sleep with every woman he encountered but that doesn't mean he was never something of a ladies man. He definitely had a non-platonic eye for members of the opposite sex.
There are some parodies that are quite good. The best ones are respectful of the original source material, yet can be bitingly satirical and funny.

Kirk was a flirt and ladies' man, but he did not have sex with as many women as people tend to think. During the whole of TOS, there are only 3 I can think of: Drusilla, Deela, and Miramanee.
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Old October 15 2013, 07:47 PM   #77
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I've seen the tallies that have been done that shows Kirk didn't sleep with every woman he encountered but that doesn't mean he was never something of a ladies man. He definitely had a non-platonic eye for members of the opposite sex.
Well, he was a Gene Roddenberry character, after all...
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Old October 15 2013, 09:19 PM   #78
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I've never made the "Mr./Dr." mistake, however. Not once.
Wow. Not even once? I mean, wow. That's really something.
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Old October 15 2013, 09:34 PM   #79
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Well, since you decided to post a dig at me for my opinions of the Abrams movies and connect it with "the public" who make such stupid errors about Spock's proper title, I thought I'd clarify the matter.
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Old October 15 2013, 09:34 PM   #80
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I've never made the "Mr./Dr." mistake, however. Not once.
Wow. Not even once? I mean, wow. That's really something.
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Old October 16 2013, 01:15 AM   #81
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When my toddler was chucking a tanty and throwing stuff I said to her, "Where there's no emotion, there's no motive for violence."
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Old October 16 2013, 01:18 AM   #82
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I once attempted a mind-meld with the kid trying to understand why he was throwing a tantrum.

It didn't work.
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Old October 16 2013, 01:47 AM   #83
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And then there was the day my teenager wasn't allowed to engage in debauchery and screamed at me I HATE YOU!!! And I replied, "Ah yes, one of your earth emotions."
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Old October 16 2013, 01:52 AM   #84
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I'm afraid in that instance I could not resist the temptation to jump franchise, and answer "Good, good. Let the hate flow through you".

But then I would have to repent and make penance, and carve Spock's unpronounceable secret name into the flesh of my forearm.
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Old October 16 2013, 05:27 AM   #85
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Third, maybe nobody thought Stonn was good enough for their daughter!
That brings up another thought. Sarek was socially prominent, but since Spock was only half human, would he have been acceptable to many Vulcan parents as a mate for their daughter? Spock and Amanda may have had to go down pretty far on the marriage list to get T'Pring.
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Third, maybe nobody thought Stonn was good enough for their daughter!
That brings up another thought. Sarek was socially prominent, but since Spock was only half human, would he have been acceptable to many Vulcan parents as a mate for their daughter? Spock and Amanda may have had to go down pretty far on the marriage list to get T'Pring.
Probably the real reason T'Pring wanted out was that she didn't want to be married to a half human

James Blish novelisation says T'Pring says she wants Stonn because he is a dufus -easy to control
It also says that T'Pau didn't give Kirk the out at challenge. She allowed Spock to decide and Spock said No. If they had actually done it that way I wonder what we would have thought of their friendship 45 years later

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Old October 16 2013, 10:28 AM   #87
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T'Pring is a bitch any way you consider it. The bigotry angle is also present in the novel Spock's World, so I wonder if Diane Duane also read the Blish version of the episode? Mind you, Blish often had to work with unfinished scripts or scripts that were changed at the last minute, so in quite a few instances his endings differ from what is actually shown on TV.
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Old October 20 2013, 10:07 PM   #89
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Third, maybe nobody thought Stonn was good enough for their daughter!
That brings up another thought. Sarek was socially prominent, but since Spock was only half human, would he have been acceptable to many Vulcan parents as a mate for their daughter?
Vulcans are supposed to be a logical species. Racial prejudice of this sort is hardly logical.

Then again, the head of the Vulcan science council in ST XI is similarly bigoted, so I guess they found a way to explain it.
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Old October 21 2013, 01:13 AM   #90
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Third, maybe nobody thought Stonn was good enough for their daughter!
That brings up another thought. Sarek was socially prominent, but since Spock was only half human, would he have been acceptable to many Vulcan parents as a mate for their daughter?
Vulcans are supposed to be a logical species. Racial prejudice of this sort is hardly logical.

Then again, the head of the Vulcan science council in ST XI is similarly bigoted, so I guess they found a way to explain it.
Hardly the first time Vulcans looked down their noses at humans. Even T'Pau seems a bit put off by Spock's human friends.

Vulcans are smarter, stronger and longer lived than humans. Thinking they are superior is eminently logical.
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