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Old October 11 2013, 08:27 PM   #16
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Re: If Kes had stayed

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This is one of the things that make me wonder if they really did plan on getting rid of Kim over Kes. Jennifer Lien had a major reaction to the ears, I don't see how she could have dealt with what was required to age Kes. Not day in day out.
Brannon Braga originally conceived the Borg crewmember as male, so it's possible Wang was on the potential chopping block then (painful metaphor given the spelling of the name, I know). Rick Berman suggested making it female, so he must have already known what was coming down.
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Old October 12 2013, 11:05 PM   #17
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I was 17 when Voyager started, and 10 when tng started.

Picard in my eyes, started off as an impossibly old man.
You're only 36/37? You sound so much more cynical than that!
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Old October 12 2013, 11:11 PM   #18
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I always assume the deeper the cynicism the younger the poster.
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Old October 13 2013, 12:10 AM   #19
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Yeah, but in a couple of years, he'll be as elderly as Janeway was.
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Old October 13 2013, 01:35 AM   #20
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He'll be dried up and shrill!!

And we can all shake our heads and say, "that bitch? HOT? no thanks, he reminds me of my mother."
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Old October 13 2013, 02:29 AM   #21
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If it went by the "Before and After" timeline, she might have lived as long as the Ocampan that lived with Suspiria.
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Old October 13 2013, 04:41 AM   #22
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As much as Garrett Wang is a cool guy, I thought his character was one of my least favorites. And I hear they told them to play their characters bland... not sure that was a good idea. I also read they kept him because he made it in a Magazine for top 50 sexy men or something. So Instead they hacked Jennifer Lien which to me, even with her particular voice was way more interesting then Kim.

Jeri Ryan was apparently dating one of the producers, sooo... that's an easy hire. (I'm guessing)

All in all I wish they kept Kes over the 3 characters I just mentioned. KES > 7 > Kim
I think they would have forgotten to age her. And I think her character would have been just like Tuvok, fun, interesting, not enough screen time and interesting story lines.

... I'm sorry, to me VOY was just disappointing on so many fronts, I just can't see anything good out of it, even with keeping her.
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Old October 13 2013, 04:50 AM   #23
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Ryan wasn't dating one of the producers until after she was hired, if I remember the events as described here a few months ago. She was married to a politician when she joined Voyager and divorced in 1999.
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Old October 13 2013, 04:54 AM   #24
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I'll take Kim over Kes any day.

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Old October 13 2013, 05:33 AM   #25
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I'll take Kim over Kes any day.

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Old October 13 2013, 07:31 PM   #26
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Hmm......It seems that I have quite a reputation.

Anyway, my theory is that I think they were going to prolong Kes's lifespan. There were hints of that in episodes like "Cold Fire" and "Scorpion"

I can't imagine any TV series where they bring in a young, beautiful actress just to use tons of heavy make-up to make her an old woman for a couple of episodes. That would have been a total waste.

The idea of a nine year lifespan was actually silly. A species with such a short lifespan would never develope into something more advanced than primates.

I guess that when they came up with that idea, it was sort of "oh, we've never had that in Star Trek before". Then, when they realized that it didn't work, they just drove on, like "ah, don't bother. They won't notice anything". In fact, the lifespan issue was seldom mentioned in seasons 2 or 3, only in certain episodes like "Cold Fire" and "Before And After".

Personally I don't think that an aging or eventually dying character would have added anything to the show. I mean, this is Star Trek which is about exploring space, not some syrupy soap opera like "Days Of Our Lives" or "The Bold And The Beautiful".

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This is one of the things that make me wonder if they really did plan on getting rid of Kim over Kes. Jennifer Lien had a major reaction to the ears, I don't see how she could have dealt with what was required to age Kes. Not day in day out.
They did solve that problem by letting Kes have long hair. Which was apity indeed. I liked the short hairstyle better. It was a trademark for the character.

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I'll take Kim over Kes any day.
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Old October 13 2013, 07:56 PM   #27
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. . .I liked the short hairstyle better. It was a trademark for the character. . .
I thought the pixie cut was more flattering for Kes and Jennifer. Maybe the Doc could have given her an ear job, as was jokingly suggested to Leonard Nimoy when he wasn't sure he wanted to be some pointed eared freak after getting some jokes from the stage crew in the pilots.
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Old October 13 2013, 09:09 PM   #28
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Cut? Try wig.

It's almost like they tried to make her less attractive because we couldn't handle it.

Sure at the time, I liked it, it was fine, but after I saw her real hair, I felt lied to.

Cheated.

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Old October 13 2013, 10:25 PM   #29
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Again, it should be noted that they were never going to apply aging makeup on Kes had she stayed til season seven. Ocampa do not "age" in looks until they reach 9. However, "Fury" did make that mistake and made her appear 60, when "Before and After" had firmly established that's not the case.
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Old October 13 2013, 10:34 PM   #30
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Kes had her second birthday, in season 2s Twisted, which was originally supposed to be aired in season one.
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