RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 141,576
Posts: 5,514,620
Members: 25,154
Currently online: 491
Newest member: MC1367

TrekToday headlines

Two New Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Dec 26

Captain Kirk’s Boldest Missions
By: T'Bonz on Dec 25

Trek Paper Clips
By: T'Bonz on Dec 24

Sargent Passes
By: T'Bonz on Dec 23

QMx Trek Insignia Badges
By: T'Bonz on Dec 23

And The New Director Of Star Trek 3 Is…
By: T'Bonz on Dec 23

TV Alert: Pine On Tonight Show
By: T'Bonz on Dec 22

Retro Review: The Emperor’s New Cloak
By: Michelle on Dec 20

Star Trek Opera
By: T'Bonz on Dec 19

New Abrams Project
By: T'Bonz on Dec 18


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > Voyager

Voyager There's coffee in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old October 10 2013, 10:55 PM   #1
DavidGutierrez
Lieutenant
 
Location: Texas
Wait, How Many Departments?

Consider this scene from "Scientific Method":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8-917vo9C8

How in the heck are there as many as thirteen departments on a ship as small as Voyager? And, why are they reporting to Tuvok? TNG seemed to suggest that department heads reported to Riker, not Data or Worf (second officer and chief of security, respectively).

For that matter, how could there be thirteen departments on any Federation starship? What would they be?

And, isn't security a department? So, isn't Tuvok a department head also? Why are department heads reporting to another department head? And, now we have fourteen departments on Voyager!

Thoughts?
__________________
For the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky...
DavidGutierrez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 10 2013, 11:55 PM   #2
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

One, I can concede Janeway just used the comment 13 including Tuvok's for convenience's sake. She wasn't in her right mind at the time so details weren't high up on her list.

Two, I can accept them reporting to Tuvok because let's face it... Chakotay is just the token Maquis to keep the rest in line. A former terrorist is questionable, but she knows Tuvok is loyal. If Chakotay was handling that stuff, well he might start getting ideas of being Janeway's equal.

Three... well let's see. Helm, Operations, Security, Engineering, Science, Medical. That's six right there. Maybe Neelix is his own "department" with food resources. Maybe science is divided into separate departments like astrology, biology and what not. Maybe security and tactical are separate. There has to be a shuttle and torpedo building department for all the replacements they went through. So yeah, I can buy the number being thirteen.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 12:01 AM   #3
Ensign_Redshirt
Commodore
 
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

I'm going with the theory that Janeway just made that up that moment.

I mean, Tuvok wasn't serious either about that floggin comment in that scene.
Ensign_Redshirt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 12:08 AM   #4
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

Well, they would be reporting to him on security matters, not on crew performance.

At least, there's one security guard stationed in every department on the ship, and the department heads tell him if his security are doing their jobs and the security tells Tuvok if the Department heads are doing their job.

Seska.

Michael Jonas.

The Doctor (in Flesh and Blood & Equinox.)

Janeway (Well, the Doctor, but that's thepoint.) in Renaisance Man.

Or less insidious incursions like Quicksilver Tom and Harry.

Tuvok should have been fired for letting 40 aliens traipse about Voyager unchecked for months in Scientific Method.

Both times it happened (Flesh and Blood again.).

Seriously, Seska had a murderous hologram programmed to kill every one if she'd disappeared for two years, but Tuvok just lets Aliens take his ship without the merest hint of a booby trap.

Is Neelix a department head, or is the hedhog under the umbrella of whoever is in charge of the replicators?

I'd guess that the number of the 13 departments are in escapable no matter the size of the ship, even if the man power and admin looking after all those departments is consolidated.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 01:30 AM   #5
Timewalker
Cat-lovin', Star Trekkin' Time Lady
 
Timewalker's Avatar
 
Location: In many different universes, simultaneously.
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

GoRe Star wrote: View Post
Three... well let's see. Helm, Operations, Security, Engineering, Science, Medical. That's six right there. Maybe Neelix is his own "department" with food resources. Maybe science is divided into separate departments like astrology, biology and what not. Maybe security and tactical are separate. There has to be a shuttle and torpedo building department for all the replacements they went through. So yeah, I can buy the number being thirteen.
WTF?! ASTROLOGY???

So they had a department for casting horoscopes?
__________________
"Let's give it to Riker. He'll eat anything!"

For some great Original Series fanfic, check out the Valjiir Continuum!
Timewalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 01:33 AM   #6
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

Timewalker wrote: View Post
GoRe Star wrote: View Post
Three... well let's see. Helm, Operations, Security, Engineering, Science, Medical. That's six right there. Maybe Neelix is his own "department" with food resources. Maybe science is divided into separate departments like astrology, biology and what not. Maybe security and tactical are separate. There has to be a shuttle and torpedo building department for all the replacements they went through. So yeah, I can buy the number being thirteen.
WTF?! ASTROLOGY???

So they had a department for casting horoscopes?
Astrophysics maybe. Oops. Though horoscopes might just make sense for some of the magic tricks they pull.
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 01:57 AM   #7
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

Stellar Cartography. One of the DeLanney sisters worked there in season 1.

If Voyager had a Science Officer, which it didn't, I would have put Stellar Cartography under The Science (Applied Sciences?) Department's remit and letterhead...

Although Janeway had no respect for Stellar Cartography.

From Deathwish, talking about Quinn.
JANEWAY: We could shut down Stellar Cartography with all the knowledge he'd bring to the job.
Then along came Astrometrics.

All those poor Stellar Cartographers put out of work so that the Astrometricians have something to do.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 07:34 AM   #8
lurok
Commodore
 
lurok's Avatar
 
Location: Lost in the EU expanse with a nice cup of tea
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

So I wonder where those poor Stellar Cartographers get reassigned?

Plasma duct cleaning?
__________________
"Anál nathrach, orth’ bháis’s bethad, do chél dénmha"
lurok is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 09:14 AM   #9
Bry_Sinclair
Commodore
 
Bry_Sinclair's Avatar
 
Location: Tactical withdrawl along the Klingon border
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

The poor Delaney Sisters.
__________________
Avatar: Captain Naya, U.S.S. Renown NCC-1415 [Star Trek: Four Years War]
Manip by: JM1776 (STPMA.net)
Bry_Sinclair is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 10:33 AM   #10
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

One of them was in love with Harry.

Sounds about ready for the rubbish tip to me.
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 10:20 PM   #11
Nebusj
Rear Admiral
 
Nebusj's Avatar
 
View Nebusj's Twitter Profile
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

DavidGutierrez wrote: View Post
Thoughts?
Well, heck, the Department of Shuttlecraft alone could be like three-quarters the ship's staff.
Nebusj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 10:41 PM   #12
Guy Gardener
Fleet Admiral
 
Guy Gardener's Avatar
 
Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

Part of the Operations remit is resource management, which means that Harry had to count all the tricorders and phasers, making sure that they were all put back in their cupboards at the end of the day.

That could cover Shuttles and other large hardware?

(How many dune buggies did Voyager have? Seriously, that's (also) what the transporters in the cargo bay are for. Paris is gunning the engine so that the buggy is already grunting at ninety towards the hills before it's even finished materializing.)

Morale Officer seems like the person who should be in charge of the holodeck.

Was there Neelix, and then there was a REAL Morale Officer too?
__________________
"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz
Guy Gardener is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 11:02 PM   #13
Ho Ho Homeier
Vice Admiral
 
Ho Ho Homeier's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's place
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

Guy Gardener wrote: View Post
Was there Neelix, and then there was a REAL Morale Officer too?
The real Morale Officer was always busy scrubbing down the holodecks after Tuvok and Vorik were finished with the Vulcan Love Slave programs.
__________________
Curly: Oh, you hit Santa Claus. Just for that, no toys! --Wee Wee Monsieur (1938)
Ho Ho Homeier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 11 2013, 11:50 PM   #14
R. Star
Rear Admiral
 
R. Star's Avatar
 
Location: Shangri-La
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

Can't you just make a holographic janitor clean up that kinda mess?
__________________
"I was never a Star Trek fan." J.J. Abrams
R. Star is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 12 2013, 12:27 AM   #15
Ho Ho Homeier
Vice Admiral
 
Ho Ho Homeier's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's place
Re: Wait, How Many Departments?

Do I need to remind you about holographic janitor Dejaren (Leland Orser) in "Revulsion", and how well he worked out?
__________________
Curly: Oh, you hit Santa Claus. Just for that, no toys! --Wee Wee Monsieur (1938)
Ho Ho Homeier is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:11 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.