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Old August 29 2014, 08:00 PM   #1
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Vulcans and Marraiges

I was wondering about Vulcans, sex and marriage. Apparently for vulcans , the males and females are bonded or have some sort of arrange marriages at birth.

Is the sole purpose of this arrange marriages for pon farr only? or for the sake of having a life partner that obviously exist beyond sexual intercourse since Pon far is strictly about sex and marriages is not just about sex.

I am confused about Vulcan romantic relationships.

I get spock and amanda, it was explained in the first film, perhaps one of the best parts of the first film but what of the other vulcans. Do they marry only for pon farr or for the sake of the institution of marriage which is to have a life partner emotionally, physically and mentally and so on?

And what of Nu Spock, does he not have a vulcan wife like he did in TOS in this new films, if all vulcans gets to be bonded at birth. So is uhura officially his mistress or what?
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Old August 29 2014, 08:04 PM   #2
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He didn't have a Vulcan Wife in TOS. As best he had a fiancee.
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Old August 29 2014, 08:07 PM   #3
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what of the other vulcans. Do they marry only for pon farr or for the sake of the institution of marriage which is to have a life partner emotionally, physically and mentally and so on?
I think it's the latter.

And while most Vulcan relationships are arranged at childhood, Sarek and Amanda's relationship is proof that Vulcans can also marry for love. I'm sure that if two adult Vulcans meet and decide they're compatible, they can marry for love as well (and yes, Vulcans do love).

As for Spock: We have no idea what happened to T'Pring in the Abrams timeline. She could be dead, or among the survivors. Anything's possible.
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Old August 29 2014, 08:15 PM   #4
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More than a fiancee, less than a wife.
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Old August 29 2014, 09:09 PM   #5
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I haven't read the new comics yet, but I thought T'Pring shows up in the new timeline in the comics in some capacity. Or was that a Mirror Universe T'Pring?
I would like to see T'Pring in the movies or at least have her fate discussed. I'd expect there's a good chance she'd have died in the destruction of Vulcan. Even so, she'd probably still have been Spock's intended when he began his relationship with Uhura.
Unfortunately, this is unlikely to be addressed in the short time frame of the movies. There'd probably be at least one episode to explore this if we had a tv series.
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Old August 29 2014, 09:20 PM   #6
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^ I have never read the comics but I find myself hoping that T'Pring doesn't show up. And if she is still alive, she's probably on New Vulcan anyway, and I doubt they'll go there.

Although strictly speaking she may not be bonded to Spock in the abramsverse. The divergence happened early enough that it may have even disrupted that. Assuming that Kirk and Spock are about the same age (which, IIRC, they are), Spock's life could have been different as well. He may never have even met T'Pring in the new timeline.
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Old August 29 2014, 09:29 PM   #7
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I remember a rumour about concept art for a female Vulcan being spied on Bob Orci's iPad during production of STID. I suspect, if true at all, that art was actually for the female Vulcan character in Star Trek: The Videogame.

As for Spock's marital status... at the end of ST'09 Spock was going to resign and head to New Vulcan to help rebuild their race (i.e. make lots and lots of babies) until Elder Spock said he'd take care of it. Dirty old man.
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Old August 29 2014, 10:15 PM   #8
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I am confused about Vulcan romantic relationships.
I'm confused about what you actually intended to have discussed in this thread.

You have at least two distinct topics in your opening post, possibly three. If this is to be about Vulcans and marriage generally, the thread should have been posted in General Trek. If it's to be about arranged marriages and pon farr, that would also go in General Trek. If it's to be about nuUhura's status in relation to nuSpock, then you're in the right forum but you've got a lot of tidying-up to do on your topic.

Pick one direction in which you want discussion to proceed and put your focus on that, rather than tossing out a jumble of loosely-related questions with no clear direction.
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Old August 30 2014, 03:12 AM   #9
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I haven't read the new comics yet, but I thought T'Pring shows up in the new timeline in the comics in some capacity. Or was that a Mirror Universe T'Pring?
Abramsverse T'Pring does show up in the After Darkness storyline, the story arc which picks up immediately after STID ended.
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Old August 30 2014, 06:45 AM   #10
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I was wondering about Vulcans, sex and marriage. Apparently for vulcans , the males and females are bonded or have some sort of arrange marriages at birth.
T'Pol wasn't bonded as a child and didn't enter into an arranged marriage until she was in her fifties, Tuvok also wasn't bonded as a child, it's unclear if his marriage was arranged..

So all Vulcans aren't bonded as children as was the case with Spock. It wouldn't be hard to see some Vulcans selecting their own spouses.

So is uhura officially his mistress or what?
Mistress? I think no, she just his high maintenance girlfriend.

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Old August 30 2014, 07:30 AM   #11
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I was wondering about Vulcans, sex and marriage. Apparently for vulcans , the males and females are bonded or have some sort of arrange marriages at birth.
T'Pol wasn't bonded as a child and didn't enter into an arranged marriage until she was in her fifties, Tuvok also wasn't bonded as a child, it's unclear if his marriage was arranged..

So all Vulcans aren't bonded as children as was the case with Spock. It wouldn't be hard to see some Vulcans selecting their own spouses.

So is uhura officially his mistress or what?
Mistress? I think no, she just his high maintenance girlfriend.


I always viewed tpol as some kind of Vulcan rebel, in fact she reminds me of nu spock a bit, although nu spock seems to be a rebel at the right time and for a good cause like he turning down the Vulcan science academy after the vulcan council acted prejudice against him and him agreeing on Nero's death sentence.

I do however think it is kind of generic, childish and shallow to see some female fans attack uhura because she is dating spock in this timeline or whatever. this girls kind of remind me of boy band erratic female fans who attack their girlfriends by calling them high maintenance or whatever. I was hoping this board had some kind of maturity, that is why I can here and left other boards like tumblr and imdb. Can we drop the Uhura bashing please. Its too generic.

Spock must have told Uhura about his wife before they became romantically linked otherwise that will be very illogical from his part.

NU Spock seems more aggressive and liberated than TOS Spock. I do not think he will be down for arrange marriages for the sake of pon farr or the Vulcan tradition.

This is why I wish the new trek was a new 3 part mini series like Sherlock, There will be so much interesting story lines to cover what one film can not just do.

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Old August 30 2014, 10:19 AM   #12
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Pon farr clearly is something the vulcans fear so it makes sense that parents find a mate for their children and bond them at 7. That way, they give to them, from their perspective, a way to survive pon farr especially in case they fall ill without having chosen a significant other on their own that can help them.

I think, though, that when they become adults they are given the choice to find a different mate if they want (though, males seem more free than the females...) so not all the relationships are arranged/forced things...Sarek/Amanda for instance, but also Tuvok and his wife...
They can fall in love and choose accordingly and it's quite logical to be with someone you love compared to someone you don't (Sarek's 'i married her b/c it was logical' wasn't really a lie* ) If you think about it, it makes sense that they'd still encourage free will. Someone you love and who loves you is a better choice for a mate than a stranger who doesn't really want you and might say 'no' when you're in need and make you fight with another at the risk of your life, either way.
Being with someone you love and who loves you back makes for a longer relationship and thus better chances of survival in the long term.

They actually seem to take relationships more seriously than us and are quite monogamous for a race whose life span is so long.
I also wonder how telepathy plays in the relationships...in the comics Spock mentions a mind meld he wants to do with Uhura called 'emafa kito' that he describes as something vulcan couples do ( i think that differently from a normal meld, it goes both sides and both parties must be willing to share)
Somehow, the idea of the vulcans being turned on by minds and that being the equivalent of getting into someone's pants amuses me.

As for nu t'pring, in the comics he had ended the thing with her and made them both free to choose another when he left vulcan for the academy. That was even before he met Uhura.
The comic even implies that after what happened to their planet, vulcans are in need to revalutate and let go of some of their old traditions now because they realize that they are illogical and don't really help their people.
I think their society might now evolve differently than prime vulcans and future children won't have to endure the arranged bonds thing anymore.
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Old August 30 2014, 11:17 AM   #13
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I remember a rumour about concept art for a female Vulcan being spied on Bob Orci's iPad during production of STID. I suspect, if true at all, that art was actually for the female Vulcan character in Star Trek: The Videogame.

As for Spock's marital status... at the end of ST'09 Spock was going to resign and head to New Vulcan to help rebuild their race (i.e. make lots and lots of babies) until Elder Spock said he'd take care of it. Dirty old man.

Elder Spock is like how old now. 129 years? he surely can not reproduce unless vulcan men have some seroius magical sperm. I do however get the feeling that elder spock regretted some of his decision at his young age when it came to women.
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
I remember a rumour about concept art for a female Vulcan being spied on Bob Orci's iPad during production of STID. I suspect, if true at all, that art was actually for the female Vulcan character in Star Trek: The Videogame.

As for Spock's marital status... at the end of ST'09 Spock was going to resign and head to New Vulcan to help rebuild their race (i.e. make lots and lots of babies) until Elder Spock said he'd take care of it. Dirty old man.

Elder Spock is like how old now. 129 years? he surely can not reproduce unless vulcan men have some seroius magical sperm. I do however get the feeling that elder spock regretted some of his decision at his young age when it came to women.

Sorry huge computer error. this post has already be posted.
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Old August 30 2014, 11:27 AM   #15
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Well some human males have viable sperm late in life. James Doohan's youngest child was born when he was abut 80. Tony Randall also had children in his late 70s/80s.
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