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View Poll Results: Toughest Star Trek Species
Tin Man 0 0%
The Douwd 6 18.75%
The Kelvan 0 0%
The Prophets/Wormhole Aliens 4 12.50%
The Pah-wraiths 0 0%
Species 8472 4 12.50%
The Borg 1 3.13%
The Hirogen 2 6.25%
Remans 1 3.13%
Caretakers 0 0%
Founders 5 15.63%
Humans 9 28.13%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

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Old October 11 2013, 12:55 PM   #46
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Re: Toughest Star Trek Species

Your definition

tough (tf)
adj. tough·er, tough·est 1. Able to withstand great strain without tearing or breaking; strong and resilient: a tough all-weather fabric.
2. Hard to cut or chew: tough meat.
3. Physically hardy; rugged: tough mountaineers; a tough cop.
4. Severe; harsh: a tough winter.
5. a. Aggressive; pugnacious.
b. Inclined to violent or disruptive behavior; rowdy or rough: a tough street group.

6. Demanding or troubling; difficult: skipping the toughest questions.
7. Strong-minded; resolute: a tough negotiator.
8. Slang Unfortunate; too bad: a tough break.
9. Slang Fine; great.

n. A violent or rowdy person; a hoodlum or thug.

Idiom:
tough it out Slang To get through despite hardship; endure: "It helps if one was raised to tough it out" (Gail Sheehy).

Check out the idiom especially. This is more along the lines of what I was thinking when I think of a tough species. The only reason we are arguing is because you are going off of the 1st definition and I am using the idiom. That's it.

Oh, and to your second point, I can handle the cockroach analogy just fine...becuase I'm human...AND TOUGH!
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Old October 11 2013, 01:01 PM   #47
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Re: Toughest Star Trek Species

The idiom is 'tough it out', NOT 'tough'.
Different word structure; different meaning. You're grasping at straws.
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Old October 11 2013, 01:20 PM   #48
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The idiom is 'tough it out', NOT 'tough'.
Different word structure; different meaning. You're grasping at straws.
We are discussing who is the toughest Star Trek species. Which to be honest typing that out made me feel incredibly nerdy right now. Grasping at straws? Idioms perhaps but not straws. The word has several different meanings which can support both views here.

If you look at my prior posts I have used several words and analogies identified in the definition you provided. I have called them resiliant, brave in the face of a superior opponoent which I would consider "strong-minded" and they have on several occasions "toughed it out." (If you permit me to use the idiom)

Now reading your definition if appears I didn't put enough emphasis on durability in which the humans would definitely be lacking when compared to the races mentioned in the OP. I guess it all depends on which components of the definition you choose to put greater weight on. I see your point.
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Old October 30 2013, 12:02 AM   #49
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Re: Toughest Star Trek Species

It looks like opinion is leaning towards humans which I didn't expect. We're good, don't get me wrong, but I considered humans to be pushovers (other than the exceptional main characters).
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