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Old October 24 2013, 08:46 PM   #121
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This Sin appears to be a hint at lesbian chic, whatever she may be in the comics.

The island stuff is completely boring for me.

Either Lance knows Oliver is the Arrow, or green eyeshadow is the equivalent of Superman putting on spectacles.

Re death penalty for Moira: I want a jailbreak arc!
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Old October 24 2013, 08:50 PM   #122
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I found both those things odd as well. Overall I enjoyed the episode though.
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Either Lance knows Oliver is the Arrow, or green eyeshadow is the equivalent of Superman putting on spectacles.
Lance has already suspected Ollie as the Hood before with fairly convincing evidence.

Since then, Hood/Arrow has displayed an Angel complex for Laurel, and now his two sidekicks are Felicity and Dig.

If Lance doesn't know, then there's good reason he was demoted.

I hope they address this soon, otherwise it's going to be Smallville syndrome all over again.
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Old October 24 2013, 09:00 PM   #123
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Yeah, pretty sure, Lance knows and will very soon let Ollie know that he knows. he is pretty much already a member of the team anyway if this episode is anything to go by.
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Old October 25 2013, 01:26 AM   #124
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So much namedropping. Metamorpho, Amazo, Cin, and most of all Ra's al Ghul.

This show is so amazing, infinitely better than Agents of Shield.
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Old October 25 2013, 01:46 AM   #125
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How many 52 references were there? 3??? LOL.
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Old October 25 2013, 02:07 AM   #126
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Sin/Cindy is from the comics. She's Black Canary's foster daughter. So, yeah, huge fan.
Sin? You mean the elementary school age girl who first appeared in one of my favorite comics, the first volume of Birds of Prey? I knew about her. I’ve read that whole run of BoP and really enjoyed it. I also know she’s not a 20+ year old punk sidekick of BC. I’m almost certain that they never called her Sin in her appearance in Arrow, and even if they did and I've forgotten my mind would probably not have connected her with the comic book BC’s very young foster daughter. There is taking a name and using it differently in a TV show (I guess Felicity’s name was taken from some character so obscure I’ve never even heard of her) but if this is supposed to be Sin, it’s definitely the weirdest name stealing for a new character that Arrow has done so far, and this is the series that made Count Vertigo into a petty drug dealer (which was really lame, but even that was kind of understandable).
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Old October 25 2013, 04:00 AM   #127
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Sin/Cindy is from the comics. She's Black Canary's foster daughter. So, yeah, huge fan.
Sin? You mean the elementary school age girl who first appeared in one of my favorite comics, the first volume of Birds of Prey? I knew about her. Iíve read that whole run of BoP and really enjoyed it. I also know sheís not a 20+ year old punk sidekick of BC. Iím almost certain that they never called her Sin in her appearance in Arrow, and even if they did and I've forgotten my mind would probably not have connected her with the comic book BCís very young foster daughter. There is taking a name and using it differently in a TV show (I guess Felicityís name was taken from some character so obscure Iíve never even heard of her) but if this is supposed to be Sin, itís definitely the weirdest name stealing for a new character that Arrow has done so far, and this is the series that made Count Vertigo into a petty drug dealer (which was really lame, but even that was kind of understandable).
The guy that bought the "stolen" alcohol from Roy said something to the effect of, "Cindy, ya know, Sin" when he was telling Roy everything he knew about Black Canary and who might know anything about her.

As to the aging of the Sin character, if they had gone with an actress more closely aligned in age to the comics character, that would have severely limited Sin's potential on the show. She would just look like a Hit-Girl rip-off (despite which character premiered first) and the show runners would have to devote too much time explaining this young girl's history to the audience -- a character twice removed from the main protagonist on the show at this point. Making Black Canary a surrogate parent to child would also make her seem much older than they probably intend to portray her.

As the character exists now on the show, she can be a sounding board and capable partner for Black Canary and offer a foil of equal stature to Roy (i.e., sidekick vs. sidekick).
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Old October 25 2013, 06:39 PM   #128
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I get why they would age her, but why even use the name? No non comic fan knows about her, and its just confusing if you know the comic book version. Its not a huge deal. I doubt she'll get any real screen time, but its a bit annoying. I wish they'd stop using names that go so poorly with the characters they're using. Between the worst use of the Count Vertigo character's name possible, and Sin the 20 something punk, I'm starting to get worried that we'll be getting characters like Thomas Blake, the 80 year old vet who takes care of Deadshot's cat, or Carrie Cutter, a 15 year old Arrow fangirl who becomes a serial killer. Actually, that idea for Cuttler, aka Cupid, isn't horrible, but my point stands. They don't have to be strictly like the comic book characters, a lot of Arrow's good characters like Slade and Felicity aren't, but I'd prefer the name to atleast kind of fit, and not just be used because they wanted to use a name from the comics.
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Old October 25 2013, 07:58 PM   #129
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^ Seriously, that makes no sense at all. Sin wasn't some random, arbitrary name they pulled out of a hat. It is a name that has a direct connection to a particular DC character, and no other character. It is a name that is connected to Black Canary, and it was used in a connection to Black Canary.

Why on Earth you think using Cupid would be fine but using Sin is not, is not supported by your statements. Your point doesn't stand.
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Old October 25 2013, 08:03 PM   #130
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I know nothing about Sin but from what I looked up she does not seem that far off. On the age issue? Her and Canary probably have known each other for awhile. They may show flashbacks to when they met and she was younger.
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Old October 25 2013, 09:53 PM   #131
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I get why they would age her, but why even use the name? No non comic fan knows about her, and its just confusing if you know the comic book version. Its not a huge deal. I doubt she'll get any real screen time, but its a bit annoying. I wish they'd stop using names that go so poorly with the characters they're using. Between the worst use of the Count Vertigo character's name possible, and Sin the 20 something punk, I'm starting to get worried that we'll be getting characters like Thomas Blake, the 80 year old vet who takes care of Deadshot's cat, or Carrie Cutter, a 15 year old Arrow fangirl who becomes a serial killer. Actually, that idea for Cuttler, aka Cupid, isn't horrible, but my point stands. They don't have to be strictly like the comic book characters, a lot of Arrow's good characters like Slade and Felicity aren't, but I'd prefer the name to atleast kind of fit, and not just be used because they wanted to use a name from the comics.
The Roy Harper in Arrow isn't a young teen who is the ward of Oliver Queen. Do you object to him?
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Old October 26 2013, 01:33 AM   #132
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I know nothing about Sin but from what I looked up she does not seem that far off. On the age issue? Her and Canary probably have known each other for awhile. They may show flashbacks to when they met and she was younger.
Yeah. I just looked her up, and I see plenty of ways that they could Arrowfy the character's backstory.
I really enjoyed this episode. The Arrow story with the Doll Maker was good, and we got some interesting stuff on the Island. I was really glad to get some development on Laurel's issues, and Black Canary. I figured they would go for at least a few more episodes before we saw this much of her. I thought the sonic device was a great way to work the canary cry into the show without introducing super powers yet. I honestly feel like an idiot for not thinking of it myself. I did not expect a Ra's Al Ghul reference, but I loved it.
As for a connected universe, I think the most we'll see is Arrow and The Flash. Maybe they could connect them to the movies too, but I doubt we'll see any connections to shows on other networks.
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Old October 26 2013, 10:17 AM   #133
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This continues to be the best superhero show. DC has outdone Marvel on the screen (Man of Steel) and on tv (Arrow) this year, despite what the media says.

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Old October 26 2013, 03:59 PM   #134
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I thought the sonic device was a great way to work the canary cry into the show without introducing super powers yet. I honestly feel like an idiot for not thinking of it myself.
I thought of it:
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I think the closest we'll get to powers in this series are hi-tech gadgets that simulate powers. Like some kind of sonic emitter for Laurel to wear around her throat.
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Old October 26 2013, 06:34 PM   #135
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Cybernetically they can stick tech inside people cohesively enough that it seems like they have powers.

Meanwhile... The Flash is lacing up his boots as we speak.
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