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Old June 2 2014, 03:21 AM   #1216
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Re: Arrow - Season 2

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I wonder what they'll do after season 5 when they can't use island flashbacks anymore.
Time travel. Sure, maybe he was on the island from 2007-2012, but that doesn't mean he only spent five years there.
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Old June 2 2014, 03:55 AM   #1217
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As awesome as the flashbacks have been, and they have, I could see them no longer being necessary at some point.

That said, the producers have said they intend the series finale to end a flashback with the first scene of the series - him getting found and off the island - as a bookend. Unless they decide not to do that, they could definitely slow the flashbacks down, as my understanding is they have indeed been more or less on the same pace at the present-day story so far.
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Old June 2 2014, 03:58 AM   #1218
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Flashbacks don't have to happen in chronological order, and besides, haven't you seen the final episode of season 2?

It's possible he only spent a few months on the island.
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Old June 2 2014, 04:04 AM   #1219
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Det. Lance.... Can't wait to see what might happen there. Is Lance part of the comics? Does he have something in his future that I, as a non-comic reader might not know?
Not directly but the first time he was arrested, his full name was given as Quentin Lawrence Lance and it was suggested in here that it could be a reference to the character "Larry Lance" who appears in the comics.

Just taking a quick look at wiki entry for the series and it says that Lance is based on the comic book character.
Larry Lance was Black Canary's boyfriend and later husband. When he dies, Black Canary leaves the JSA and joins the JLA ( also switching Earths) She hooks up with the Green Arrow and they've had an on/off relationship ever since. Later the older Black Canary was retconned to be the current BC's mother and Larry was her father. The original BC, being a product of the 1940s, was quickly becoming a "Mrs. Robinson" for the ever young Green Arrow.
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Old June 2 2014, 04:44 AM   #1220
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So if Amanda and Oliver were fighting dirty for ARGUS 4 and a half years before he "officially" got off the Island, maybe even before she was top dog there... This brings into question how Diggle "really" joined the Scoobie Gang.

Diggle may think it's an accident, but Oliver could have been manoeuvring him into his bosom for years before they met as far as Diggle knew.

Which is really, really, really Batman.

(Of course this raises the question about how innocent the acquisition of Felicity Smoke had been.)
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Old June 2 2014, 08:45 AM   #1221
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So if Amanda and Oliver were fighting dirty for ARGUS 4 and a half years before he "officially" got off the Island, maybe even before she was top dog there... This brings into question how Diggle "really" joined the Scoobie Gang.

Diggle may think it's an accident, but Oliver could have been manoeuvring him into his bosom for years before they met as far as Diggle knew.

Which is really, really, really Batman.

(Of course this raises the question about how innocent the acquisition of Felicity Smoke had been.)
Personally, I doubt this. Oliver started his quest in Starling City by wanting to kill the people in his father's booklet, a booklet he had before he ever met ARGUS. The only way I see ARGUS having anything to do with all of that, is if Oliver's father knew about ARGUS, and realized how things were going bad with the Undertaking, and wanted to meet with them at a remote location, or try and escape. The island was chosen as that location, and while en route, the Queen's Gambit was scuttled and Oliver stranded there. Perhaps the info in the booklet was ment for ARGUS, ARGUS realized Oliver was on the island and wanted the booklet with the info about the Undertaking.

Oliver, who has not been told about the Undertaking itself, only that the names in that booklet and his father are responsible for terrible things in Starling City, now vouches to fight that. He doesn't agree with ARGUS' way of doing things, and they maroon him on the island again, as punishment.



Yeah....... talk about fa fatched, huh??
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Old June 2 2014, 09:40 AM   #1222
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Did I see a different final episode, or have you not seen the final episode?

Oliver gets off the island.

There's some brief gap.

He's in Hong Kong.

Naked.

Hench men take him to a limo.

He's partially dressed by this point.

Amanda Waller in the limo introduces herself and says that they have work to do.

That's the last thirty seconds of season 2.

Off the island.

Drafted into Argus.

With still three or four years left till the flashbacks meet up with the first episode where he fakes his rescue off the island.

You just have to ask yourself how long the island adventures that we have seen have taken so far, because unless there was a full year gap between season one and season two in the flash backs, Oliver can't have spent more than a couple months on the Island before he was taken to Hong Kong.
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Old June 2 2014, 11:35 AM   #1223
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Re: Arrow - Season 2

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Flashbacks don't have to happen in chronological order, and besides, haven't you seen the final episode of season 2?

It's possible he only spent a few months on the island.
In fact, they've already shown them out of chronological order and shown flashbacks of other characters as well (although part of that was because the Ivo plot was relatively thin).

The debate isn't whether the flashbacks are on the island or off it, but if they do one year of flashbacks per year, whether they'll reach present day too quickly. My question is whether they plan to have the show last more than five years.

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Personally, I doubt this. Oliver started his quest in Starling City by wanting to kill the people in his father's booklet, a booklet he had before he ever met ARGUS.
I still remember some quote in the first season that Oliver said about the book being verified. Diggle responded with "how could you find out anything while on an island" to which Oliver replies "I never said it was when I was on an island." I wish I remembered the exact quote but I remembered knowing even in the first season that he'd spend time off the island and I suspect the book will mark its reappearance.
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Old June 2 2014, 01:28 PM   #1224
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Re: Arrow - Season 2

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Did I see a different final episode, or have you not seen the final episode?

Oliver gets off the island.

There's some brief gap.

He's in Hong Kong.

Naked.

Hench men take him to a limo.

He's partially dressed by this point.

Amanda Waller in the limo introduces herself and says that they have work to do.

That's the last thirty seconds of season 2.

Off the island.

Drafted into Argus.

With still three or four years left till the flashbacks meet up with the first episode where he fakes his rescue off the island.

You just have to ask yourself how long the island adventures that we have seen have taken so far, because unless there was a full year gap between season one and season two in the flash backs, Oliver can't have spent more than a couple months on the Island before he was taken to Hong Kong.
In those flashbacks they referenced several times him having been on the island for over a year.
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Old June 2 2014, 02:04 PM   #1225
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(Of course this raises the question about how innocent the acquisition of Felicity Smoke had been.)
Didn't Felicity come on the scene because Walter wanted her IT expertise in digging up something things on Moira and uncovered the warehouse with the wreck of the Queen's Gambit?

(plus she was originally intended only for a few episodes but was on those characters who gets added because the audience takes to them).
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Old June 2 2014, 02:10 PM   #1226
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The debate isn't whether the flashbacks are on the island or off it, but if they do one year of flashbacks per year, whether they'll reach present day too quickly. My question is whether they plan to have the show last more than five years.
Only time will tell, but look what happened to Smallville and Supernatural, two other shows that were supposed to last five years. So far, it looks like Arrow is headed down that path.
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Old June 2 2014, 04:42 PM   #1227
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(Of course this raises the question about how innocent the acquisition of Felicity Smoke had been.)
Didn't Felicity come on the scene because Walter wanted her IT expertise in digging up something things on Moira and uncovered the warehouse with the wreck of the Queen's Gambit?

(plus she was originally intended only for a few episodes but was on those characters who gets added because the audience takes to them).
Felicity appeared as early as S1 Episode 3, when Oliver needed Deadshot's laptop hard drive recovered, after it had been shot up. It was later when Walter asked her to investigate the warehouse where Moira stashed the Queen's Gambit.

As for the flashback issue, should the series go beyond 5 seasons, there's still ample room for flashbacks to Ollie's 'arrival' in Starling. It's my personal feeling that his official homecoming wasn't the first time he'd been back. Showing him setting up the foundry, getting the lay of the land, etc.
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Old June 2 2014, 08:25 PM   #1228
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Did I see a different final episode, or have you not seen the final episode?

Oliver gets off the island.

There's some brief gap.

He's in Hong Kong.

Naked.

Hench men take him to a limo.

He's partially dressed by this point.

Amanda Waller in the limo introduces herself and says that they have work to do.

That's the last thirty seconds of season 2.

Off the island.

Drafted into Argus.

With still three or four years left till the flashbacks meet up with the first episode where he fakes his rescue off the island.

You just have to ask yourself how long the island adventures that we have seen have taken so far, because unless there was a full year gap between season one and season two in the flash backs, Oliver can't have spent more than a couple months on the Island before he was taken to Hong Kong.
I have seen that, and it was stated clearly in other flashbacks he has been on the island for a year now. So yes, I know he is off the island right now, and that ARGUS is involved. That's what I was talking about. Might not have been clear enough.
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Old June 2 2014, 11:40 PM   #1229
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(Of course this raises the question about how innocent the acquisition of Felicity Smoke had been.)
Didn't Felicity come on the scene because Walter wanted her IT expertise in digging up something things on Moira and uncovered the warehouse with the wreck of the Queen's Gambit?

(plus she was originally intended only for a few episodes but was on those characters who gets added because the audience takes to them).
Felicity appeared as early as S1 Episode 3, when Oliver needed Deadshot's laptop hard drive recovered, after it had been shot up. It was later when Walter asked her to investigate the warehouse where Moira stashed the Queen's Gambit.

As for the flashback issue, should the series go beyond 5 seasons, there's still ample room for flashbacks to Ollie's 'arrival' in Starling. It's my personal feeling that his official homecoming wasn't the first time he'd been back. Showing him setting up the foundry, getting the lay of the land, etc.
All that would be within the five years, though, no? The issue is flashbacks once you've used all five years.
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Old June 2 2014, 11:57 PM   #1230
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Who's to say that the flashbacks will account for absolutely EVERYTHING interesting that happened during that time? There's at least one swath of time on the island, covering at least a couple months, where Ollie, Shado and Slade could have had an adventure or two. There could be others coming up where stuff happened that doesn't apply to the "main" arc at the time as well.

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