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Old March 6 2014, 09:38 PM   #751
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There was a point where they were making out in a lake and Slade walks in on them, then turns his back for privacy, while still talking to them about the mission, but his face, you could see that he was heart broken that she picked Oliver.

When he was sane, he could handle it.

The disturbing this is that Oliver and Sara both knew that Slade was into Shado well enough to know that they should make up a story about how she died, but how is it Oliver's fault that she picked him?
I agree and thought that for a while, but began to think that Oliver is/was conflicted about what he did that night. He felt genuine guilt (survivor's guilt is a known syndrome) that he "chose" Sara and he couldn't bring himself to argue his innocence.

I think the most logical statement would have been that if Ivo had been aiming at Shado he would have jumped in front of her instead. The woman he "chose" was based on who Ivo was pointing at. I think that was probably true, but I think Ollie is wracked by guilt and couldn't form those thoughts.

I also think it wouldn't make much difference to Slade anyway, because Slade would still see Sara as the "cause" of Shado's death, and Ollie as being responsible for that "cause."
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Old March 6 2014, 11:33 PM   #752
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They would be skeletons by his point.
Only a technicality. It's only a matter of time before we find out this island has a lot in common with Tahiti.
In the comics Lazarus Pits can bring someone back from basically any little piece, correct?
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Old March 7 2014, 01:22 AM   #753
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I really don't know. My knowledge of the comics is pretty limited.
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Old March 7 2014, 12:22 PM   #754
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Harley Quinn?

It's a promo for the next episode, although there's doubt whether she'll actually be namechecked, she might just be a little visual homage for fans.

Apparently there's also going to be a special announcement around episode 19.
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Old March 7 2014, 07:40 PM   #755
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Yeah, the Suicide Squad!
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Old March 9 2014, 05:47 AM   #756
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Really enjoyed this episode. We got some great action on the island, and some pretty tense stuff in the present. I'm very curious where things are going to go now that Team Arrow knows about Slade. Somebody mentioned up thread that they were surprised Ollie didn't say anything about knowing Slade from the the island, and I had the same thought. As pissed and crazy as Slade appears to be, you'd think Ollie would try to find some way to warn Moira and Thea to stay away from him.
Sarah lived! I have to admit, I half expected her to die this week. Looks like they must be saving that for the season finale, if they do kill her.
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Old March 9 2014, 02:32 PM   #757
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Nice shout out to Curt Swan this week.
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Old March 9 2014, 05:31 PM   #758
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What a great episode. Can't wait to see how it plays out.

I'm really hoping they don't go the predictable route have Slade make Ollie "choose" between Sarah and Laurel. It really seems like that's the set up, and you know Ollie will choose Laurel just cuz. Despite not making any sense.

My bold prediction: Slade's research (and now obsession it seems) with the Mirakuru is to create a super powerful version. He's gonna call it "Lazarus."

That's right, Yao Fei and Shado are comin' back...
I think I missed something about the scene when Shado is killed. I didn't think that Ollie really "chose" Sara. Didn't he just step in because Ivo was about to pull the trigger. If Ivo had been about to pull the trigger on Shado first then he would have stepped in to save her. Do I need to watch this again?
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Old March 9 2014, 06:27 PM   #759
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^No, that's exactly what happened. Ollie is suffering from survivor's guilt, and because of the Mirakuru, Slade isn't able to realize the impossible position Ollie was in.
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Old March 9 2014, 07:25 PM   #760
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It wasn't impossible.

He should have chosen himself by charging Ivo.
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Old March 9 2014, 07:42 PM   #761
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It wasn't impossible.

He should have chosen himself by charging Ivo.
And all 3 die, great plan.
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Old March 9 2014, 08:03 PM   #762
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Well, what would Jim Kirk have done?

(Was Ivo screwing Sara? If ivo was screwing Sara, then was he a jerk enough to shoot her? Even if she was just a friend, and the betrayal hurt bad, it was most likely always Shado who was going to be shot because she was not blond.)
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Old March 9 2014, 10:23 PM   #763
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^No, that's exactly what happened. Ollie is suffering from survivor's guilt, and because of the Mirakuru, Slade isn't able to realize the impossible position Ollie was in.
Thanks for that.

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It wasn't impossible.

He should have chosen himself by charging Ivo.
And all 3 die, great plan.
Should have, would have...

Ollie wasn't a hero, and he was in a stressful situation. He didn't have the ability to think it through.
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Old March 9 2014, 10:59 PM   #764
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Speed taught us that you shoot the hostage to take power away from the hostage taker.

I suppose that means that he should have beaten one of these girls half to death?
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Old March 10 2014, 12:06 AM   #765
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Well, what would Jim Kirk have done?
Slept with everyone
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