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Old October 10 2013, 08:27 PM   #61
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Re: USA and UK surviving into the Trek era

Why does it matter if Sulu was "Asian-American?" He was American, right?
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Old October 11 2013, 01:09 AM   #62
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Sulu said that he was born in San Francisco, that would make him a American by birth. Of course, that makes the assumption that the city of San Francisco is part of the United States in the 23rd century.

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Old October 11 2013, 02:13 AM   #63
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More Evidence the Soviet Union exists in the 24th century:

The SS Tsiolkovsky.
Isn't that a novelty gift from the Tsiolkovsky Museum? I believe you can see it there now.
I'm not sure. I do remember hearing a complaint brought up that they spelled his name wrong, though not being able to read Russian, I can't verify that. I'd like to think a museum in his honor wouldn't have made such a mistake, though it would be funny if they did. Either way, novelty gift or not it was written in the language of the universe to be a prop in the universe. Granted the USSR was still a going concern in 1988.

I mean since the whole Eugenics war bit were supposed to happen in the 90's it's more than clear that the Trek timeline "diverged" from ours long ago, so the Soviet Union not falling is hardly a game breaker.
I don't understand. Tsiolkovsky was a pioneer in the development of rocket technology. Why wouldn't he get a starship named after him?
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Old October 11 2013, 02:20 AM   #64
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^I believe that the plaque was made in order to honor the museum and its namesake. It's not necessarily a prop made to represent something in-universe, but something made with real life concerns that appeared in the series to give it importance.
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Old October 11 2013, 02:54 AM   #65
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This, for what it's worth, was the only reference that I recall to 'current' Earth in the original series:

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Old October 11 2013, 07:32 AM   #66
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Likewise, the Byzantine Empire must exist: USS Constantinople
Yeah but its name keeps getting changed to Istanbul not Constantinople.

Then again during WWIII, Istanbul may have been taken from Turkey and renamed Constantinople. Or the Turks changed its name back, like Leningrad is once again St. Petersburg.
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Old October 11 2013, 02:13 PM   #67
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This, for what it's worth, was the only reference that I recall to 'current' Earth in the original series:

Stockholm, Eurasia. It doesn't say Sweden. Interesting.
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Old October 11 2013, 03:28 PM   #68
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Stockholm, Eurasia. It doesn't say Sweden. Interesting.
Also doesn't say United Earth, they probably could figure out which planet it's going to without it being labeled. Without that piece of information the US postal service would likely lose the box.

If you think about it, the box should indicate which planet it's being routed to.


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Old October 11 2013, 03:30 PM   #69
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Its the future. The full address won't even fit on a box that big.

Bureau of Penology
Stockholm, Sweden
Eurasia. Earth
Sol System, Sector 001
United Federation of Planets.

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Old October 11 2013, 03:53 PM   #70
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Sulu said that he was born in San Francisco, that would make him a American by birth. Of course, that makes the assumption that the city of San Francisco is part of the United States in the 23rd century.
Why wouldn't it be?
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Old October 11 2013, 04:58 PM   #71
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Sulu said that he was born in San Francisco, that would make him a American by birth. Of course, that makes the assumption that the city of San Francisco is part of the United States in the 23rd century.
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Why wouldn't it be?
Because it's part of the People's Republic of California. Has to be, there's a red star and bear on their flag.
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Old October 11 2013, 05:07 PM   #72
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A large portion of my father's side of the family lives in Brazil, and I lived there as a child, and have visited other nations on the continent. For someone from South America to self identify as a "American" is almost unknown.
Then it is possible I have been misinformed, because I took a class that stated the opposite: that in many Latin American countries in particular, in Both North and South America, many people identify themselves as "American," regardless if they are Mexican, Guatemalan, Panamanian, etc. Perhaps it is more a Central American thing, then? Or maybe it is a small but vocal amount of people who do this? Or it could possibly be something more akin to a train of thought rooted mostly in academia? Or maybe a little bit of all, where maybe it is a very small minority of people in said locations that practice this, and academia has picked up on this and exaggerated the extent of the practice, making it sound more widespread than it really is?

Anyway, my understanding for the rationale of people in the Americas outside the US calling themselves "American," is somewhat of a reaction to the fact the US citizens referring to themselves as American, and they feel the term has been highjacked by the US, and minimizes or excludes other people that live in the Americas, but outside the US.
I've an Aunt from Argentina and I've never heard anything like that from her, or her family when they come over. Sounds like PCness run amok more than anything else to me.
^^ This. It sounds like whoever taught that class was more concerned with disseminating Politically Correct propaganda than teaching facts.

The primary meaning of "American" is "a citizen or national of the United States of America" or "of, belonging to, or pertaining to the United States of America."

As for South America, they stole our name.
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Old October 11 2013, 06:30 PM   #73
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Its the future. The full address won't even fit on a box that big.

Bureau of Penology
Stockholm, Sweden
Eurasia. Earth
Sol System, Sector 001
United Federation of Planets.
You might be able to omit everything after "Sol System." Mail within America doesn't mention "USA," and you only put down a country if the mail is going outside your own.

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Sulu said that he was born in San Francisco, that would make him a American by birth. Of course, that makes the assumption that the city of San Francisco is part of the United States in the 23rd century.
Why wouldn't it be?
Well it is two and a half centuries in the future, things change. San Francisco could be part of the People's Republic of California (). Or it might be a sovereign city state of it's own, the peninsula, Marin county, San Jose and maybe Oakland. Something like that.

Another possibility is, as I understand it the current series of novels (which admittedly I don't read) place the federation legislature in the city of San Francisco, along with Starfleet Headquarter and the Academy.

The entire city might be "extra-territorial." Legally not a part of Earth.

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Old October 11 2013, 07:32 PM   #74
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My theory is most of the Bay Area is a Federal District that houses most the Federation's government offices.
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Old October 11 2013, 09:56 PM   #75
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SO where do we think the UE Government sits, Geneva?
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