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Old November 17 2013, 11:26 PM   #646
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

Happy Birthday to Doctor Who! It didn't start airing on this side of the pond until the mid or late 70s, through PBS public television I think. The first Doctor I remember seeing was Tom Baker.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:30 PM   #647
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Wikipedia's Serialized and Procedural Drama articles both need updating. Although it is still far more common to see crime-based Procedurals than Procedural Dramas of other genres, crime shows are no longer the only types of shows that fit the Procedural format.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:34 PM   #648
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Erm VOY ended in what 2001. Both those lists contain shows that started and finished before VOY aired, and shows which started and finishedd after VOY finished airing.

So are you saying they need to be updated because VOY isn't on there?
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Old November 17 2013, 11:45 PM   #649
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I'm saying they need to be updated because there are shows listed on one list that actually belong on the other, and series that belong on the lists that aren't on them.
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Old November 17 2013, 11:45 PM   #650
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I think the biggest problem here is wanting to shoehorn Voyager under two different categories without full understanding of the traditional meaning of the use of those terms.
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Old November 18 2013, 12:46 AM   #651
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

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I'm saying they need to be updated because there are shows listed on one list that actually belong on the other, and series that belong on the lists that aren't on them.
It's wikipedia, if you want to be right, then update it yourself.
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Old November 18 2013, 12:50 AM   #652
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The question would then be why hadn't it appeared onto the list until then, despite the show finishing over a decade ago? Oversight, perhaps but as I said other shows that aired after VOY fiinsihed are on it.
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Old November 18 2013, 01:01 AM   #653
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Procedurals like Law & Order had a level of continuity and serialisation. Is VOY closer in terms of serialisation and continuity to that than say the likes of B5 and DSN?
B5 and DSN had more luxuries than VOY did when it came to maintaining every last little thing.

I'd say VOY was more like L&O, yeah.
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Old November 18 2013, 01:05 AM   #654
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DS9 is on the list

Enterprise is on the list.

Whoever respects Star Trek in general enough to put those two on the list recognized that Voyager, TNG and the Original Series were not serialized.
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Old November 18 2013, 01:21 AM   #655
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There's very little difference between Voyager and Enterprise. If Enterprise is considered a Serialized Drama (although it's more of a "Serialized Procedural Drama"), Voyager should be as well.

Anyway, I finished Part 2 of YoH, and the only significant differences between the events of the "Year of Hell" itself as seen/talked about in Before and After and as seen in the YoH 2-parter are that B'Elanna didn't die, Kes wasn't involved in the events of the YoH any longer, and that the Doctor's program wasn't lost. Everything else that Before and After told us about the YoH itself was shown to have happened, even if it happened differently than in Before and After.
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Old November 18 2013, 01:47 AM   #656
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Enterprise series 1 and 2 is exactly the same Voyager.

Maybe they tried a little harder, but not by much.

Season three was a new mission in a new part of space against a new villain who Archer was gathering the tools to be the hero he needed to be to win. It was a quest. There were still several episodic episodes, but the further along they got, they serialized the shit out of it, even if in retrospect it's pretty clear that Braga didn't know what was going to happen a couple weeks in the future as he was making season 3.

Season 4 was several three and four part stories, and then those three and four part stories started becoming linked tying most of the season together into an ongoing story.

Enterprise evolved.

A producer getting kicked off set for making the women feel uncomfortable will do that.
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Old November 18 2013, 02:01 AM   #657
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Agreed. Enterprise experimented with an X-Files style serialized story in seasons 1-2 (with occasional episodes that developed the temporal cold war, but mainly episodic stories), but in seasons 3-4 it matured into a more ambitious show than Voyager ever was.

(It didn't always succeed in those ambitions, of course, but it tried.)
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Old November 18 2013, 02:26 AM   #658
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You would think that, but really there were only a handfull of temporal cold war episodes in season one and two that were not the pilot or a season finale/start.

And in the end it's no more plotty than bringing back the Klingons as a species for another rut rather than the story of what's happening to an individual Klingon.
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Old November 18 2013, 02:35 AM   #659
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Enterprise series 1 and 2 is exactly the same Voyager.

Maybe they tried a little harder, but not by much.
And seeing how DigiFicWriter has proven that Voyager did have serialization and continuity, that means they weren't doing a bad job.

They really should have just done what Rick Berman wanted to do and just wait til DS9 was done to do VOY.
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Old November 18 2013, 02:43 AM   #660
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There is not serialization.

With rare exceptions, the episodes do not carry on one after the other.

Digific only "proved" that Voyager had more than zero continuity.

And all that really proved is that you shouldn't speak figuratively to anal people.
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