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Old November 17 2013, 05:21 AM   #571
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But imagine if the reset button had happened after the entire season..!
That would almost be as bad as a season long arc cliffhangering with an alien Nazi.
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Old November 17 2013, 05:28 AM   #572
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Well, they had no way of fixing the ship with that kind of damage. After "Year of Hell" the show would be over. They had to reset it because all the other constraints of the premise ("No Support") would've kept them from resolving anything.
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Old November 17 2013, 05:33 AM   #573
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But imagine if the reset button had happened after the entire season..!
Fringe essentially hit the 'reset button' with its third season finale, relegating the events of that season and the two preceding seasons to an alternate reality/timeline, so it could've been done and done successfully with Voyager and a season-long version of the YoH storyline.

I personally don't see the problem with hitting the 'reset button' on the storyline at its conclusion regardless of length, but YMMV.
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Old November 17 2013, 05:40 AM   #574
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TATV seemed to do a reset from out of the blue invalidating the entire previous four years.
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Old November 17 2013, 05:46 AM   #575
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TATV seemed to do a reset from out of the blue invalidating the entire previous four years.
How?
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Old November 17 2013, 06:09 AM   #576
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Fury reset 6 seasons.

Endgame reset 14 seasons of Voyager and 10 seasons of the sequel set on Earth.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:20 AM   #577
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TATV seemed to do a reset from out of the blue invalidating the entire previous four years.
How?
Some say that every story had been a Holodeck adventure and that we had never seen any "real" adventures of a pioneering Starfleet set between 2251 -2261.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:21 AM   #578
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TATV seemed to do a reset from out of the blue invalidating the entire previous four years.
How?
Riker and Troi suddenly showing up and watching the whole thing in the holodeck. It raises the possibility that the whole series was a simulation, starting with "Broken Bow".
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Old November 17 2013, 06:25 AM   #579
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^ I think that notion is ridiculous and completely unsubstantiateable, but, just for the sake of argument, I don't see how that would 'invalidate' the series.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:34 AM   #580
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^ I think that notion is ridiculous and completely unsubstantiateable, but, just for the sake of argument, I don't see how that would 'invalidate' the series.
I'm not saying I think that, only that it opens up that avenue of interpretation, even if unintended. I didn't mean to siderail this away from Voyager again.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:49 AM   #581
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The Enterprise scenes from TATV were indifferentiable from every other scene in the series.

In Pathfinder, when Barclay was playing about with holograms of what they imagined Voyager might look like... They got it wrong.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:49 AM   #582
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^ I think that notion is ridiculous and completely unsubstantiateable, but, just for the sake of argument, I don't see how that would 'invalidate' the series.
I'm not saying I think that, only that it opens up that avenue of interpretation, even if unintended. I didn't mean to siderail this away from Voyager again.
It's all good.

I've taken a break from watching YoH P2 - mainly because I'm tired and need to get some sleep - but wanted to address the perceived 'discontinuity' between Before and After and the events of the YoH 2-parter of the crew apparently not having any knowledge of the Krenim despite Kes having promised to write a report on the things she learned about them:

Given that we ARE dealing with a story about messing with time, it's really not unfeasible to infer that, in the 'here and now' in which Voyager encountered the Krenim, Kes never made good on her promise for whatever reason or else the events of Before and After were erased from history.
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Old November 17 2013, 06:59 AM   #583
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The Krenim say that while they are outside time that they do not age, and that they have been making MANY changes to the timeline for the last 200 years. Considering he's still trying to save his wife, that means that Annorax is hovering over the same year while making changes for the last 200 year son his ship floating outside of time. In every timeline that Kes warned Janeway not to engage with the Krenim, Annorax was not engaged either, and he reset time again. He could have fired his weapon 100s, or maybe even thousands of times. If they don't stop Annorax, they don't stop Annorax and they forget everything and begin at the beginning again.

We missed the first %99.5 of the story.
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Old November 17 2013, 07:08 AM   #584
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Since time changed the instant Voyager was impacted by the first and second temporal shockwaves, it doesn't seem like a stretch to infer or assume that history was retroactively affected by the first shockwave's impact so that Kes' report wasn't written or she never experienced the events of Before and After in the first place, which was the point I was trying to get at.
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Old November 17 2013, 07:13 AM   #585
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I know. I agree.

I was explaining "how".

Also that it probably wasn't the first displacement wave we saw on camera.

It was 700 displacement waves earlier.
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