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Old October 25 2013, 01:42 AM   #436
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

I think DS9 had more leeway to do different things because (like TNG before it) it was a direct-to-syndication show. Voyager and ENT both were on a network, which I think is why it had more 'interference' from the suits almost from Day 1.
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Old October 25 2013, 03:53 AM   #437
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That's like saying that if it wasn't for the rain, you wouldn't get wet in a storm.
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Old October 25 2013, 11:09 PM   #438
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^Are you sure that Voyager (and later, Enterprise) wasn't instead life support for UPN?
You think there was just "one" problem?
Certainly not. However, given the choice between Berman and UPN, I would pick Berman. As bad as his taste could be, he at least had a relationship with the writers that was at least constructive, so long as there was no studio interference.
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Old October 27 2013, 04:35 AM   #439
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

Berman wasn't that bad, I mean really listening to some of the stuff he said once he was no longer the Trek producer it seems like he understood the problems Modern Trek were starting to suffer from and might've done a better job of things without UPN breathing down his neck.
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Old October 27 2013, 04:49 AM   #440
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

Like with Brannon Braga, I've never really understood the mud that gets slung at Berman, and happen to really enjoy all 3 of the Star Trek series he helped create, with DS9 being my favorite.

He's also responsible for co-developing and co-writing some of my favorite episodes from those three series and for co-writing my favorite of the Prime-Universe films, Insurrection.
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Old October 27 2013, 06:38 AM   #441
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The audience needed a Scapegoat, and unfortunately they chose Berman and Braga when they really weren't responsible for most of the problems folks had.

That, and Ron Moore kept blaming them for things (Along with Ira Behr) when the truth is closer that those two were being bratty and didn't realize the kind of pressure Berman was under from the Network.
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Old October 27 2013, 07:14 AM   #442
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Sure Berman had his bosses, everyone does, but in the Trek production world in the 90's the buck stopped at his desk.
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Old October 27 2013, 08:20 AM   #443
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Not with the UPN shows it didn't. With those shows, UPN Network Execs who smartly never gave their names were the ones really in charge.
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Old October 27 2013, 08:22 AM   #444
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Man.. blaming unnamed people who may or may not exist... are we at conspiracy theories to defend Voyager now?
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Old October 27 2013, 08:44 AM   #445
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Well, it's clear that UPN was interfering with VOY and ENT in ways that TNG and DS9 did not have to endure. Since Berman is not UPN, it had to be some Network Execs higher up than him giving him those orders.

It reminds me of "The Wire". For the longest time everyone hated Commissioner Burrell as some bureaucratic A-Hole who kept messing up cases and details for little to no reason. Then in his last appearance we find out most of his actions were due to him carrying out nonsensical and schizophrenic commands from the Mayor that Burrell knew were stupid and were messing things up, but carried them out because his job was on the line.
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Old October 27 2013, 09:37 PM   #446
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

I've got a somewhat time-sensitive* question to ask Flashback and The Undiscovered Country: since I've never seen either, should I watch TUC before I watch Flashback, or would I be fine just watching Flashback?

* I'm watching TNG's The Price right now and will then be watching False Profits, so I have probably 2 hours before I'd be ready to tackle either one or both of TUC and Flashback
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Old October 27 2013, 09:56 PM   #447
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See if you can find the continuity errors.

You should just watch the Undiscovered Country first because it's a damn good movie.

Yes there are some scenes that are double/repeated/refilmed (10 years later) and there is story taking place during the Undiscovered country that we did not see in the movie and... IN the novelization of Flashback (in the 90s, I had a choice of buying the novelization of Flashback for 4 dollars, or waiting 2 years for the episode to air on the telly.) we actually "see" Sulu g... Well, that would be telling.
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Old October 27 2013, 10:30 PM   #448
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. . .we actually "see" Sulu g... Well, that would be telling.
Oh, you mean where Tuvok gives Sulu a--- oops.
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Old October 27 2013, 10:39 PM   #449
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Sulu got serviced by Tuvok... while Janeway watched... she was jealous.
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Old October 27 2013, 11:10 PM   #450
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Watch TUC first. That way Flashback is way cool even if you didn't wait however many years between the two!

TUC is a great movie too

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