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Old October 23 2013, 01:00 AM   #406
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

She should have had Vulcan neuro pressure classes. That is much more relaxing.
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Old October 23 2013, 09:37 AM   #407
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I still think any claim of 'serialization' in Voyager is inaccurate. Character continuity, yes, to some degree. But not serialization.

Voyager's character continuity was not demonstrably any different to that seen in both TOS and TNG. All three shows demonstrate just about the same level of character continuity, where the growth and development of certain characters is not forgotten even if it is sometimes ignored for story purposes.

DS9 wasn't a wholesale serialized series either, but it was closer to the mark than any other Trek apart perhaps from Enterprise during it's third season, which truly was Trek's only real serialized format.
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Old October 23 2013, 04:46 PM   #408
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DS9 had more luxuries and a less constrained plot than VOY did that made it easier to tell serialized plots.
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Old October 23 2013, 05:18 PM   #409
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Imagine you lived in a 60 year old apartment complex built in the Ukraine.
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Old October 23 2013, 05:28 PM   #410
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The serialization in Voyager isn't manifested just in character continuity; it's also manifested in recurring story arcs and episode and event continuity (which is itself manifested by prevalent references , both direct and indirect).... which, BTW, is exactly how serialization is and was manifested in Bones and The X-Files, two of the equivalent examples I've cited as being of the same format genre as Voyager.
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Old October 23 2013, 05:40 PM   #411
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Unless you count the "we're going home" theme as serialization... it's really not there. Some character arcs that span episodes, some mini-arcs until we move on to the next alien bad guy, but nothing really substantive enough to be called an overall serialization.
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Old October 23 2013, 06:04 PM   #412
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Unless you count the "we're going home" theme as serialization...
... and Cullah's bumbling villainy ...
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Old October 23 2013, 06:11 PM   #413
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Should've just made Culluh into a Doctor Claw clone..... "I'll get you next time Janeway! Next time!"
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Old October 23 2013, 06:14 PM   #414
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Would you guys be making the same argument against Bones and The X-Files? Because, like I said, they and Voyager all handle serialization in the exact same way.
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Should've just made Culluh into a Doctor Claw clone..... "I'll get you next time Janeway! Next time!"
Next Time=Continuity and Serialization, no?

^ Would you guys be making the same argument against Bones and The X-Files?Because, like I said, they and Voyager all handle serialization in the exact same way.
I watch neither show, so my opinion of either is irrelevant. Indeed, continuity and serialization don't guarantee the quality of a series, but they might be pointers to how well the characters are being developed over the course of the series.
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Old October 23 2013, 06:19 PM   #416
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^Next Time=Continuity and Serialization, no?
For a Serialized Drama (i.e. BtVS, BSG, B5, DS9), yes.

For a Serialized Procedural (i.e. Bones, Elementary, The X-Files), not necessarily.

Voyager is very much of the Serialized Procedural genre, as is, for the most part, Enterprise.
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Old October 23 2013, 06:23 PM   #417
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^So the fact that the Joker showed up a dozen times made Batman serialized?
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Old October 23 2013, 06:44 PM   #418
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^ I misinterpreted what you were saying.

You and others seem to be looking at serialization as it would be handled and manifested in a Serialized Drama (i.e. BtVS, BSG, B5) - which is entirely different to how serialization is handled and manifested in a Serialized Procedural (i.e. Elementary, Bones, The X-Files) - and trying to apply it to Voyager, which can't be done.

A Serialized Drama establishes a continuous narrative story and one or more recurring villains who are featured in nearly every episode in some capacity over the course of a season or the overall series, and continues to add new continuous narrative stories and recurring villains as things progress.

A Serialized Procedural, on the other hand, establishes more sporadic story elements and recurring villains that might not be featured in every episode but are revisited periodically throughout the course of a season or the overall series, and will generally move on from a particular set of story elements and recurring villains by introducing new ones from season to season and may or may not revisit previously utilized story elements and/or villains depending on the story elements currently being utilized.
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Old October 23 2013, 06:57 PM   #419
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Should've just made Culluh into a Doctor Claw clone..... "I'll get you next time Janeway! Next time!"
Next Time=Continuity and Serialization, no?

You're absolutely right. Culluh was the best example in Voyager of a plot arc and reoccurring villain given he lasted most of season 2. Now... are you calling this a good thing?
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Should've just made Culluh into a Doctor Claw clone..... "I'll get you next time Janeway! Next time!"
Next Time=Continuity and Serialization, no?

You're absolutely right. Culluh was the best example in Voyager of a plot arc and reoccurring villain given he lasted most of season 2. Now... are you calling this a good thing?
Not whatsoever. This "continuity" based on peripheral details and recurring outside threats makes for weak development. Culluh's recurring presence did not make for a force that pushed the characters to mature or reconsider their behavior, and I'd say they were largely unchanged by him.
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