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Old October 22 2013, 01:04 AM   #391
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

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Old October 22 2013, 01:46 AM   #392
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Old October 22 2013, 03:36 PM   #393
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I think there was a lot more continuity at the start of the show.

That's the thing really. It wasn't truly 'serialization' by any measure, but there's definitely a, shall we say, richer vein of continuity in the first four seasons or so. At least as much as there ever was in TNG anyway.

It really only started going to hell after Jeri Taylor left the show and Branon Braga starting sitting in her chair. That was really when the policy of "who cares, nobody'll even remember any of this shit next week" seemed to really start taking effect.

Coincidence?
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Old October 22 2013, 04:23 PM   #394
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^ The exhaustive breakdown I posted earlier runs contrary to that notion.

As for Brannon Braga, it's become cliche to bash on him, but, by and large, there's no real justification for it that I can find. There is no real significant difference, substantively or stylistically speaking, between Voyager under Jeri Taylor's guidance and Voyager under Braga's guidance.
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Old October 22 2013, 05:12 PM   #395
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I think there was a lot more continuity at the start of the show.

That's the thing really. It wasn't truly 'serialization' by any measure, but there's definitely a, shall we say, richer vein of continuity in the first four seasons or so. At least as much as there ever was in TNG anyway.

It really only started going to hell after Jeri Taylor left the show and Branon Braga starting sitting in her chair. That was really when the policy of "who cares, nobody'll even remember any of this shit next week" seemed to really start taking effect.

Coincidence?
Considering that Braga wanted to increase the serialization and have episode continue directly into one another, I doubt this.
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Old October 22 2013, 05:31 PM   #396
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There is no real significant difference, substantively or stylistically speaking, between Voyager under Jeri Taylor's guidance and Voyager under Braga's guidance.
Well there was a noticeable trend of fewer "Janeway is awesome" episodes.
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Old October 22 2013, 06:05 PM   #397
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There is no real significant difference, substantively or stylistically speaking, between Voyager under Jeri Taylor's guidance and Voyager under Braga's guidance.
Well there was a noticeable trend of fewer "Janeway is awesome" episodes.
That is neither a substantive or stylistic thing. When you change showrunners, you're going to get a situation where the new showrunner has a different 'pet character' (or characters) than the old. It's an inevitability.

For good or for ill, Janeway was Taylor's 'pet character', and Seven was Braga's, which did admittedly frustrate some people.

Personally, I think Seven needed the exposure she got, although it did get a little overboard at times, but, as I said, the amount of attention any one character got isn't a substantive or stylistic issue.
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Old October 22 2013, 07:45 PM   #398
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I was going to put this in the Season 5 thread, but it seems to relate to this thread...I just watched "Juggernaut," and the control of B'Elanna's anger issues seems to be out of place for her arc. That would have worked better in the first or second season for me. I was waiting for them to reveal that she was pregnant and that was why she was having extreme anger issues again. But that didn't happen, so the whole thing just seemed like a leap backward for her character arc.

This strikes me as perhaps an attempt to focus on somebody other than Seven but not quite knowing what to do with the other characters at this point. Discontinuity? Is that a word? Or a new character arc with poorly executed continuity? I'm continuing my re-watch so I myself can't answer these questions.
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Old October 22 2013, 08:06 PM   #399
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^ I haven't seen that episode, but, based on what I know about B'Elanna's characterization as a whole, I'm not surprised that they'd bring her anger issues up again because, as demonstrated by Faces, it's an ingrained part of who she is, and even if she has it managed most of the time, it's still there.

So, no, revisiting an ingrained facet of her character even though she seems to have moved beyond being 'ruled' by said facet isn't an example of discontinuity in the least.
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Old October 22 2013, 09:50 PM   #400
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B'Elanna is never going to completely "move beyond" her anger issues until she embraces them as Klingon strengths rather than human failings. When she's old she'll have made peace with it I PREDICT like Spock did with his human side. It's okay to be both these species, not to fight for one to be your identity.
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Old October 22 2013, 10:41 PM   #401
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Klingons are generally quite belligerent but I never saw one as generally angry B'Elanna, that's for sure.
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Old October 22 2013, 11:26 PM   #402
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well, we certainly couldn't let B'Elanna mature.
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Old October 23 2013, 12:46 AM   #403
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Even with her human DNA slowing her down, she's going to live twice as long as Tom.
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Old October 23 2013, 12:50 AM   #404
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Klingons are generally quite belligerent but I never saw one as generally angry B'Elanna, that's for sure.
I think if she was a full Klingon on a Klingon vessel you wouldn't even notice what is seen as inappropriate anger on Voyager.
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Old October 23 2013, 12:55 AM   #405
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Janeway thought it was out of character because she showed concern about the odd behavior, and Chakotay was so concerned that he ordered her to meditate with Tuvok. So yes, all of the focus on her apparently unusually excessive anger in this episode and the attempts to fix it, in a season 5 episode, sorry but I'm expecting some explanation other than "she's half Klingon." Otherwise, if she was so prone to frequent outbursts of uncontrollable anger, Chakotay wouldn't have waited until season 5 to order the meditations. That's why, for me at least, this feels out of place and it should be a season 1 or 2 episode. I thought she had grown to control her anger enough to at least show respect when expected. If something unusual happens like, you know, a borg biting her on the cheek, then yeah I expect yelling and punches from her. But since season 1 or 2-ish, I don't recall anything so excessive that she would need to take Vulcan anger management classes to get herself under control. That's an unusual step this late in the game, which to me calls for an unusual explanation.
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