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Old October 9 2013, 06:46 AM   #211
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

There's some stuff where Mars and Earth are cited as having different entry dates into Federation membership.

Which means that several different planets (seats on the Council.)in the Federation can be represented by the same specieses.

8 Kidneys explains how Scotty and Kirk made it to middle age despite their drinking problems.
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Old October 10 2013, 03:24 AM   #212
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I think the continuity was pretty bad, when the writers couldn't remember whether Lt. Carey or Samantha Wildman were still alive or not.
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Old October 10 2013, 03:31 AM   #213
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^ Not (re)using characters has nothing to do with continuty.
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Old October 10 2013, 03:49 AM   #214
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It has a little to do with continuity.

Where were they before this week and and where are they for the next 3 years?

It's fraudulent to believe that their continuing adventures on Voyager are still taking place on Voyager less than a hundred meters in one direction through some hull plating of wheresoever the camera is pointing.

Voyager is tiny.
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Old October 10 2013, 03:55 AM   #215
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^ Not (re)using characters has nothing to do with continuty.
It does when it makes logical sense for a character to appear and then they don't because they writers thought they killed them off, but really didn't.

Why was Naomi Wildman spending all her time with 7 of 9 or Neelix, rather then her own mother? Why wasn't Samantha Wildman spending any time with Naomi? Was she just a bad mother or something. Its not good story telling to have a mother and daughter on a show and then just have the mother disappear with no explanation, but keep the daughter around, it begs a lot of questions.
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Old October 10 2013, 03:58 AM   #216
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It's fraudulent to believe that their continuing adventures on Voyager are still taking place on Voyager less than a hundred meters in one direction through some hull plating of wheresoever the camera is pointing.
No, it's not. Unless a character is explicitly killed off or otherwise shown to have 'moved on', they remain part of a show even if they're never seen again.

With a crew compliment of between 140-150 crewmembers, we are not going to see every single person who is serving on the ship every single week, but that doesn't mean they suddenly cease to be serving on the ship.
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Old October 10 2013, 04:50 AM   #217
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Exactly, TOS and TNG did that all the time with us never seeing come crew members again. Doesn't mean they're dead, just that they're somewhere else on the ship.
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Old October 10 2013, 05:40 AM   #218
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Which brings us back to Voyager is tiny.

97 characters were physically and literally named out of 160ish (152 + Borg kids + Equinox 5.).

I would have erupted with joy to see the Delanney sisters 2 or 3 times a year.
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Old October 10 2013, 05:52 AM   #219
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It is sort of a shame that they couldn't have had a few bit part dialogue actors return, like TOS did with Eddie Paskey, John Winston, and David L. Ross, and how TNG gradually fleshed out Colm Meaney's originally unnamed recurring crewman. VOY had Tarik Ergin's Ayala, but he seldom got any lines at all.
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Old October 10 2013, 05:59 AM   #220
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Ayala had no lines. 113 episodes and not a line. Poor bastard.
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The show's failure to more extensively flesh out and establish a broader stable of recurring characters isn't a continuity issue; it's an issue of missed opportunity.
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Old October 10 2013, 06:02 AM   #222
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Ayala had no lines. 113 episodes and not a line. Poor bastard.
He spoke in three episodes. Well, if you count his big moment in 'Basics' where all he says is, "Yeah."

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Ayala
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Old October 10 2013, 06:16 AM   #223
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Maybe Ergin had a heavy accent or something. Or maybe giving him any significant dialogue in one episode would have made him more expensive for later episodes, the way the union rules work.

Or perhaps, as happened with Eddie Paskey, he'd just get too stressed out having to do significant dialogue on screen.
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The guy was hired as a background performer (in other words, as an extra). When he spoke, the production had to pay him more money.
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Old October 10 2013, 06:27 AM   #225
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The show's failure to more extensively flesh out and establish a broader stable of recurring characters isn't a continuity issue; it's an issue of missed opportunity.
I am recalling an interview in which tptb stated (early in the show's run) that they were being very deliberate when writing stories that involved introducing crew members, because once into'ed, they'd be stuck with having to deal with them, having to explain their absence or ignored altogether.

I don't remember the magazine where I read that, but, the lack of an extended community onboard wasn't a failing per se, but a deliberate choice they made. And an unfortunate one IMO, as the main cast gelled so thoroughly, so quickly, that we, the audience, needed to have them interact with others more than ever, to avoid getting bored by them.

Voyager was made smaller than a Galaxy class ship, in order to force the crew to be in each other's faces, but the reality is that it wound up not really mattering what size the ship was. Everyone had their own private, spacious quarters , even newcomers Neelix and Kes. They weren't tripping over each other, or in each others' faces...I wish there had been a larger number of people onboard, so that the smallness of the ship could have been conveyed more overtly.

Oh well. Hindsight is always 20-20.
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