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Old October 8 2013, 01:50 AM   #151
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Old October 8 2013, 01:53 AM   #152
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The Circle of Liff.
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Old October 8 2013, 03:17 AM   #153
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The last time I wore a really nice suit was a rented tuxedo for the senior prom in 1969. I don't think I ever owned a real suit as an adult, I always wore sport coats or blazers. I don't even own a tie now.
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Old October 8 2013, 03:31 AM   #154
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I used to have two ties.

The survivor is a screen print of Doctor Doom.

'Pretty sure it was a 21st Birthday present.
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Old October 8 2013, 03:51 AM   #155
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I like how Enterprise told us that ties survived WWIII and first contact even though they died out before TOS.
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Old October 8 2013, 03:56 AM   #156
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It's just an arrow pointing to the wearers penis.

So that no one has to ask for directions.
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Old October 8 2013, 04:22 AM   #157
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I thought it was a leash!
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Old October 8 2013, 05:34 AM   #158
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It's not really a leash if you're the one always begging people to tug it.
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Old October 8 2013, 06:54 AM   #159
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Re: The Continuity and Serialization of Voyager

Pulling this thread back on topic, I've heard a lot of lamenting over the idea that Neelix's jealousy of Tom kept cropping up and had started to 'get old' by the time Partuition came along, but I really don't understand that line of thinking. Jealousy is an emotional flaw, and unless it's addressed, it's not just suddenly going to go away. Neelix insisted he was over being jealous of Tom spending time with Kes, but he hadn't actually addressed the root of the problem, which is entirely understandable, and the fact that it continued to surface is actually a good thing when it comes to characterization continuity, even if it's not an aspect of Neelix's characterization that is particularly flattering.

Another little piece of continuity I noticed - and that would've been more effective if episodes had been aired in production order - is Harry owning/playing the clarinet, which is set up as a matter of background 'noise' in Non-Sequitur and then used as a focal point of the scene in Partuition where Tom admits to Harry that he's falling in love/has fallen in love with Kes.

I've spent much of this thread talking about instances in which the show demonstrates continuity positively, but, since I've already acknowledged that it wasn't perfect when it came to balancing the issues of episodic storytelling, serialized storytelling, and story continuity, I figure it's time to mention some of the things that are clearly inconsistencies, starting with Walter Baxter's changing uniform. When he's first introduced in Eye of the Needle, he's wearing a red Command Division uniform, but when he reappears in Twisted, he's wearing Operations Division gold and is serving in Security.

There's also the costuming inconsistency with regards to Tuvok's rank that persists from Caretaker through Cathexis, and the costuming 'downgrading' of Tom from a full Lieutenant to a Lt. Jr. Grade that also happens in Cathexis.

I don't personally think the Paris and Tuvok costuming inconsistenciess are that big a deal because they don't really affect things story-wise, but am bugged ever so slightly by the Baxter one because his being a Security officer is directly addressed in Twisted when he encounters Tuvok and they talk about him (Baxter) needing to get back to his duty station, and it therefore would've been nice to have had his position as a Security officer established in his first appearance earlier in Season 1.
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Old October 8 2013, 08:43 AM   #160
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Personnel assignments possibly could have rotated for some of the crew. Maybe Baxter wasn't a security officer all the time.
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Old October 8 2013, 08:48 AM   #161
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^ I hadn't thought of that.
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Old October 8 2013, 09:32 AM   #162
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Harry Kim playing the clarinet was actually first set up in Caretaker. Janeway mentions to Tuvok that Harry Kim's mother had contacted her asking if she could send it along because he'd left it at home.

The rank situation never bothered me. I love Star Trek, but I never watched closely enough to pick up on those type of differences. I'd notice if someone went from Ensign to Lt, or if they were a Captain one day and not the next. Outside of that I don't know the difference. I think the majority of viewers would be the same.
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Old October 8 2013, 10:14 AM   #163
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It's just extremely silly that Kim was never promoted in 7 years. He was acting Captain in the night shift. He showed more tactical experience than the enhanced command version of the EMH. And they promoted Tuvok and Paris, if I remember correctly.
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Old October 8 2013, 10:36 AM   #164
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What I don't understand is why this seems to genuinely bother Wang.
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Old October 8 2013, 10:39 AM   #165
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He was left in Command in Futures End, and made it look easy.

After that, Kim was relegated to comic relief.

"Command" is verbally given from one command officer to another on the bridge and can't be taken.

This doesn't make you Captain or Acting Captain.

You become acting Captain after your Captain dies, and you have the balls to take hir job.

In Workforce, Chakotay decided to treat Kim and ECH's opinion equally, as if they were squabbling siblings trying to get the car for Friday night off dad, which is a massive insult.
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