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Old December 8 2013, 10:13 PM   #91
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I am just glad that more oversized technical offerings are back. It had been a dry spell.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:14 AM   #92
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I was also hoping that this project would expand upon Star Charts, and would attempt to integrate more material from the novels. The end result has left me feeling somewhat underwhelmed, though not to the point of saying that those interested in Star Trek and maps should avoid the purchase.

I like the direction it has gone in artistically with its depiction of stars and with the multiple alien-language maps (although I agree that including information in English below the alien language call-outs would be helpful, as would sector grids). I dislike the lack of any expanded detail on member worlds of the Federation or on other civilizations similar to the treatment that Bajor was given in Star Charts, and the lack of any maps of the Gamma and Delta Quadrants. The depiction of the Earth-Romulan War in Federation: The First 150 Years was also largely disappointing to me as compared to the conflict depicted in the novels in terms of scale and stakes, so the Romulan War map based upon David Goodman's work there included in Stellar Cartography doesn't draw me in as I was hoping it would.

Aside from that, I have a few minor quibbles - the multiple Denobulas and the use of the Klingon Imperial Empire/Imperial Klingon Empire (yes, this was used in one episode of TNG, but it still doesn't really strike me as correct) - but I think it is still a nice work of Star Trek related art overall, if not anything near what I was hoping for.
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Old December 9 2013, 04:22 AM   #93
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There are multiple Denobulas? (Denobulae?)
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Old December 9 2013, 08:18 AM   #94
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Aside from that, I have a few minor quibbles - the multiple Denobulas and the use of the Klingon Imperial Empire/Imperial Klingon Empire (yes, this was used in one episode of TNG, but it still doesn't really strike me as correct)
I agree with you. I saw this printed on the map a groaned a little bit. Picard did say that in Sins of the Father, but it always just struck me as Picard being pompous and needlessly aggrandizing. IIRC, no one ever used that phrase before or since, and I think all on-screen displays consistently read just "Klingon Empire".
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Old December 9 2013, 08:32 AM   #95
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There are multiple Denobulas? (Denobulae?)
The large History of the United Federation of Planets fold out, and I believe the image shown in the book as well, shows Denobula Triaxa near Tellar, and a Denobula Prime between the Delphic Expanse and the Romulan Star Empire.
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Old December 9 2013, 03:17 PM   #96
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Odd. There was never a "Denobula Prime" referenced in Enterprise.

You know what -- I'm not sure, but the position you refer to might be about where Denebola, the real star also known as Beta Leonis, would appear on the map. It's possible the mapmaker saw "Denebola" and misread it as "Denobula," and coined the "Prime" to differentiate it from the established Denobula.
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Old December 9 2013, 04:20 PM   #97
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Hmmm. Fair point, that, re: Denebola being misinterpreted as "Denobula Prime".
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Old December 9 2013, 07:39 PM   #98
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Can we ask someone from the SC and this book to explain their decision making of where to place Denobula?
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Old December 9 2013, 08:47 PM   #99
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We could.
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Old December 10 2013, 03:37 AM   #100
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Therin posted a map earlier and I was wondering why part of Federation space is cut off by Klingon territory?
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Old December 10 2013, 04:05 AM   #101
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Therin posted a map earlier and I was wondering why part of Federation space is cut off by Klingon territory?
It isn't. Space is 3-dimensional and the maps don't convey the z-axis shape of things. No doubt part of UFP territory extends "above" or "below" Klingon territory.
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Old December 10 2013, 04:17 AM   #102
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Therin posted a map earlier and I was wondering why part of Federation space is cut off by Klingon territory?
It isn't. Space is 3-dimensional and the maps don't convey the z-axis shape of things. No doubt part of UFP territory extends "above" or "below" Klingon territory.
I didn't know that. Learning some new every day.
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Old December 10 2013, 11:01 AM   #103
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Therin posted a map earlier and I was wondering why part of Federation space is cut off by Klingon territory?
It isn't. Space is 3-dimensional
I didn't know that.
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Old December 10 2013, 02:09 PM   #104
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Well, it was his undoing in Wrath of Khan.
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Old December 10 2013, 03:00 PM   #105
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Therin posted a map earlier and I was wondering why part of Federation space is cut off by Klingon territory?
It isn't. Space is 3-dimensional and the maps don't convey the z-axis shape of things. No doubt part of UFP territory extends "above" or "below" Klingon territory.
I didn't know that. Learning some new every day.
I'm sorry... but were you saying that you weren't aware that space was 3-dimensional?...or that the UFP extends "below/above" Klingon territory?
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