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Old September 28 2013, 05:37 PM   #31
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I keep wondering about this argument.
It wasn't an argument. It was hardly substantial enough even to be called an opinion - just offering an impression, really, but wonder away.
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Old September 28 2013, 05:44 PM   #32
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I keep wondering about this argument. What makes a film not a mediocre single episode spread over two hours?
Film stuff.

Film and television are written differently, filmed differently, lighted differently, staged differently, acted differently, scored differently, and a long list of other stuff.

Generations didn't do all those things like a film normally would, but did them like a TV show with a lot more cash on hand--the dialog beats, the score, and the lighting specifically.

For example, people praise the Ten Forward lighting. However, the DP really didn't approach it like one would expect in film but the same way the did on the show--he just threw more money at it.
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Old September 28 2013, 06:03 PM   #33
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acted differently
Sometimes, a show comes along where the acting is "movie quality". Then it tends to get, like, all kinds of acclaim and stuff.
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Old September 29 2013, 02:36 AM   #34
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^ I don't think he expected the Tru-Trek Inquisition.
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Old September 29 2013, 02:50 AM   #35
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For example, people praise the Ten Forward lighting. However, the DP really didn't approach it like one would expect in film but the same way the[y] did on the show--he just threw more money at it.
John A. Alonzo certainly did NOT light Generations the same way they did the TV show, as the Ten Forward scene illustrates. I'm sure there were some holdovers from the set lighting for TV since all the catwalks and rigging were already in place, but the movie looks nothing like the TV show in terms of lighting design.
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Old September 29 2013, 09:58 PM   #36
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I keep wondering about this argument.
It wasn't an argument. It was hardly substantial enough even to be called an opinion - just offering an impression, really, but wonder away.
But what makes a film just a mediocre two-part episode, and what elevates it to something higher?
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Old September 30 2013, 12:38 AM   #37
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For example, people praise the Ten Forward lighting. However, the DP really didn't approach it like one would expect in film but the same way the[y] did on the show--he just threw more money at it.
John A. Alonzo certainly did NOT light Generations the same way they did the TV show, as the Ten Forward scene illustrates. I'm sure there were some holdovers from the set lighting for TV since all the catwalks and rigging were already in place, but the movie looks nothing like the TV show in terms of lighting design.
True, it's a lot darker for some reason. Like at an office when half the fluorescent lights are off. It looks decent enough on film, but can be distracting since we've seen the same set fully lit for nearly a decade at that point.
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Old September 30 2013, 02:09 AM   #38
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If we are to ignore STiD's flaws on grounds that old Trek had many of the same flaws are we also expected to ignore what STiD gets right given that much of old Trek got it right too?
A hypocrite should always be exposed.
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Old September 30 2013, 02:51 AM   #39
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If we are to ignore STiD's flaws on grounds that old Trek had many of the same flaws are we also expected to ignore what STiD gets right given that much of old Trek got it right too?
A hypocrite should always be exposed.
It's not entirely clear at whom that might have been directed, but it's closer to taking a swipe at other posters than I really like to see here. Don't do that, please.
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Old October 1 2013, 12:51 PM   #40
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But what makes a film just a mediocre two-part episode, and what elevates it to something higher?
For Star Trek films, I'd say it comes down to the story quality. In terms of the productions, First Contact and Insurrection are nearly identical in every aspect (so Clegg's aforementioned "film stuff" is pretty much the same) - yet it's the latter gets tagged with the dreaded "it felt like a two-part TV episode".
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Oooo! Unfortunately (for them), it's an Abramsverse Trek coloring book.
Waiting for someone to suggest it is a join-the-dots colouring book.
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Old October 2 2013, 12:53 AM   #42
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Twice since i've bought the DVD - i've put it on to watch the Nibiru scene and before I know it - the film is over :P
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Old October 2 2013, 02:20 AM   #43
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John A. Alonzo certainly did NOT light Generations the same way they did the TV show, as the Ten Forward scene illustrates.
Agreed. People wondered why Data's makeup looked so different in "Generations" - had it been altered? No, but the way the sets were lit definitely were.
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Old October 2 2013, 02:43 AM   #44
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And lighting also apparently explains why Prime Spock's hair looks so much darker in STID than in ST:XI.
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Old October 2 2013, 07:51 PM   #45
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INS is just a bloated double episode full of classic Trek tropes. Not good, not bad, not really a movie.
It's really boring too.
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