RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,904
Posts: 5,477,411
Members: 25,051
Currently online: 598
Newest member: GrammaticalFict

TrekToday headlines

New Star Trek Funko Pop! Vinyl Figures
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

QMx Mini Phaser Ornament
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

Stewart as Neo-Nazi Skinhead
By: T'Bonz on Nov 26

Klingon Bloodwine To Debut
By: T'Bonz on Nov 25

Trek Actors In War Of The Worlds Fundraiser
By: T'Bonz on Nov 25

Star Trek: The Next Generation Gag Reel Tease
By: T'Bonz on Nov 24

Shatner In Haven
By: T'Bonz on Nov 24

Retro Review: Covenant
By: Michelle on Nov 22

Two Official Starships Collection Previews
By: T'Bonz on Nov 21

Saldana: Women Issues In Hollywood
By: T'Bonz on Nov 21


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies XI+

Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 28 2013, 05:37 PM   #31
M'Sharak
Definitely Herbert. Maybe.
 
M'Sharak's Avatar
 
Location: Terra Inlandia
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

JarodRussell wrote: View Post

I keep wondering about this argument.
It wasn't an argument. It was hardly substantial enough even to be called an opinion - just offering an impression, really, but wonder away.
__________________
The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but
that the lightning ain't distributed right.
— Mark Twain
M'Sharak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2013, 05:44 PM   #32
CorporalClegg
Admiral
 
CorporalClegg's Avatar
 
Location: Land of Enchantment
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
I keep wondering about this argument. What makes a film not a mediocre single episode spread over two hours?
Film stuff.

Film and television are written differently, filmed differently, lighted differently, staged differently, acted differently, scored differently, and a long list of other stuff.

Generations didn't do all those things like a film normally would, but did them like a TV show with a lot more cash on hand--the dialog beats, the score, and the lighting specifically.

For example, people praise the Ten Forward lighting. However, the DP really didn't approach it like one would expect in film but the same way the did on the show--he just threw more money at it.
__________________
Konnichi wa!
CorporalClegg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 28 2013, 06:03 PM   #33
Set Harth
Rear Admiral
 
Set Harth's Avatar
 
Location: Rhovanion
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

acted differently
Sometimes, a show comes along where the acting is "movie quality". Then it tends to get, like, all kinds of acclaim and stuff.
__________________
Whatever happens on earth, that up there, that's the endgame.
Set Harth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29 2013, 02:36 AM   #34
UFO
Captain
 
UFO's Avatar
 
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

Kruezerman wrote: View Post
^ I don't think he expected the Tru-Trek Inquisition.
No one expects the Tru-Trek Inquisition.
UFO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29 2013, 02:50 AM   #35
Maurice
Vice Admiral
 
Maurice's Avatar
 
Location: Maurice in San Francisco
View Maurice's Twitter Profile
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
For example, people praise the Ten Forward lighting. However, the DP really didn't approach it like one would expect in film but the same way the[y] did on the show--he just threw more money at it.
John A. Alonzo certainly did NOT light Generations the same way they did the TV show, as the Ten Forward scene illustrates. I'm sure there were some holdovers from the set lighting for TV since all the catwalks and rigging were already in place, but the movie looks nothing like the TV show in terms of lighting design.
__________________
* * *
“Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.”
― Winston S. Churchill
Maurice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 29 2013, 09:58 PM   #36
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

M'Sharak wrote: View Post
JarodRussell wrote: View Post

I keep wondering about this argument.
It wasn't an argument. It was hardly substantial enough even to be called an opinion - just offering an impression, really, but wonder away.
But what makes a film just a mediocre two-part episode, and what elevates it to something higher?
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 30 2013, 12:38 AM   #37
Awesome Possum
I've Been Rebooted
 
Awesome Possum's Avatar
 
Location: Space
View Awesome Possum's Twitter Profile Send a message via ICQ to Awesome Possum Send a message via AIM to Awesome Possum
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

Maurice wrote: View Post
CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
For example, people praise the Ten Forward lighting. However, the DP really didn't approach it like one would expect in film but the same way the[y] did on the show--he just threw more money at it.
John A. Alonzo certainly did NOT light Generations the same way they did the TV show, as the Ten Forward scene illustrates. I'm sure there were some holdovers from the set lighting for TV since all the catwalks and rigging were already in place, but the movie looks nothing like the TV show in terms of lighting design.
True, it's a lot darker for some reason. Like at an office when half the fluorescent lights are off. It looks decent enough on film, but can be distracting since we've seen the same set fully lit for nearly a decade at that point.
__________________
"Without the sunglasses, Weekend at Bernie's would have been a very dark, strange tale."
Awesome Possum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 30 2013, 02:09 AM   #38
NuFan
Lieutenant Commander
 
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

Shazam! wrote: View Post
If we are to ignore STiD's flaws on grounds that old Trek had many of the same flaws are we also expected to ignore what STiD gets right given that much of old Trek got it right too?
A hypocrite should always be exposed.
NuFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old September 30 2013, 02:51 AM   #39
M'Sharak
Definitely Herbert. Maybe.
 
M'Sharak's Avatar
 
Location: Terra Inlandia
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

NuFan wrote: View Post
Shazam! wrote: View Post
If we are to ignore STiD's flaws on grounds that old Trek had many of the same flaws are we also expected to ignore what STiD gets right given that much of old Trek got it right too?
A hypocrite should always be exposed.
It's not entirely clear at whom that might have been directed, but it's closer to taking a swipe at other posters than I really like to see here. Don't do that, please.
__________________
The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but
that the lightning ain't distributed right.
— Mark Twain
M'Sharak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 1 2013, 12:51 PM   #40
drt
Commander
 
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
But what makes a film just a mediocre two-part episode, and what elevates it to something higher?
For Star Trek films, I'd say it comes down to the story quality. In terms of the productions, First Contact and Insurrection are nearly identical in every aspect (so Clegg's aforementioned "film stuff" is pretty much the same) - yet it's the latter gets tagged with the dreaded "it felt like a two-part TV episode".
drt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 1 2013, 01:13 PM   #41
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

Opus wrote: View Post
Oooo! Unfortunately (for them), it's an Abramsverse Trek coloring book.
Waiting for someone to suggest it is a join-the-dots colouring book.
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2 2013, 12:53 AM   #42
Kotowboy
Ensign
 
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

Twice since i've bought the DVD - i've put it on to watch the Nibiru scene and before I know it - the film is over :P
Kotowboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2 2013, 02:20 AM   #43
Therin of Andor
Admiral
 
Therin of Andor's Avatar
 
Location: New Therin Park, Andor (via Australia)
View Therin of Andor's Twitter Profile
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

Maurice wrote: View Post
John A. Alonzo certainly did NOT light Generations the same way they did the TV show, as the Ten Forward scene illustrates.
Agreed. People wondered why Data's makeup looked so different in "Generations" - had it been altered? No, but the way the sets were lit definitely were.
__________________
Thiptho lapth! Ian (Entire post is personal opinion)
The Andor Files @ http://andorfiles.blogspot.com/
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/
Therin of Andor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2 2013, 02:43 AM   #44
teacake
Fleet Admiral
 
teacake's Avatar
 
Location: Google's ass cave full of the lush, lush asses they have stolen.
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

And lighting also apparently explains why Prime Spock's hair looks so much darker in STID than in ST:XI.
__________________

"Damnit Spock. God damnit!" Kirk ST:V
■ ■ ■
Janeway does Melbourne
teacake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old October 2 2013, 07:51 PM   #45
Kotowboy
Ensign
 
Re: Second try finishing STID...better this time around.

teacock wrote: View Post
INS is just a bloated double episode full of classic Trek tropes. Not good, not bad, not really a movie.
It's really boring too.
Kotowboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:34 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.