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Old June 26 2014, 08:02 PM   #376
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Due to TV budget Ivy's primary weapon is now going to be pepper spray.
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Old June 28 2014, 06:08 AM   #377
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Every time I've seen the character (in the animated series or in the comics) doesn't she hide by adopting her Pamela Isley persona?

How will she blend in now?

"Chief their's a new supervillain out there, she calls herself "Poison Ivy."
"Maybe it's that Ivy Pepper woman, go bring her in."
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Old June 28 2014, 02:08 PM   #378
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Two possibilities. One, Ivy Pepper being Poison Ivy could just be a coincidence. The similarity isn't so much more than Pamela Isley. If her name were Ivy Poison, perhaps, but Ivy Pepper?

Second, she could always adopt a fake name like Pamela Isley to blend in if her real name is insufficient.
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Old June 28 2014, 03:46 PM   #379
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Every time I've seen the character (in the animated series or in the comics) doesn't she hide by adopting her Pamela Isley persona?

How will she blend in now?
Umm, first off, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see the name "P. Isley" and notice a resemblance to "Poison Ivy." And secondly, Ivy never wears a mask! In fact, in some of her comics incarnations she hardly wears anything. The only time she was able to "blend in" in Batman: The Animated Series was in her debut episode, before Batman knew she was a criminal. He met Pamela Isley first, then figured out that she'd poisoned Harvey Dent, then tracked her to her greenhouse and found her in costume and insisting that he call her Poison Ivy. After that, her true identity was universally known and the only times she was able to go incognito were when she avoided showing her face at all, and used other aliases like "Dr. Demeter" (although that's not a very tough one to see through).

Not to mention the fact that the Ivy of the comics has a poison touch -- not exactly something that lets you blend in among civilians. And in some versions she has green skin. So no, a secret identity is not really part of Poison Ivy's general repertoire.
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Old June 28 2014, 03:52 PM   #380
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Do any of the villains have secret identities? Catwoman's identity isn't known in some versions and no one knows who the Joker is but what about everyone else?
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Old June 28 2014, 04:37 PM   #381
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Most of the big name villains don't have secret IDs.
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Old June 28 2014, 06:29 PM   #382
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That's right -- usually the heroes find out the villains' identities pretty quickly, because usually the heroes catch the villains and put them in jail. They can't be put on trial without their names being known.

In the comics it was a couple of decades before Catwoman's identity of Selina Kyle was discovered, but that's because she herself had suffered from amnesia for many years and didn't remember who she was before.

But generally, aside from the Joker, long-running villains whose identities go unrevealed for a long time are more a Marvel thing than a DC thing. In Spider-Man, the Green Goblin's identity was a secret for a while, and I think the second Green Goblin's was too. Hobgoblin's identity was such a secret that even the comic's editors didn't know it; after the character's creator left, the Hobgoblin was given a different secret identity than he'd intended, and it wasn't until quite a few years later that he came back and revealed that had been a fakeout and Hobby was really who he'd wanted him to be all along.
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Old June 29 2014, 12:00 AM   #383
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That's adult Poison Ivy though...this is kid Poison Ivy and they could have given her a new backstory that features a new name for whatever reason...perhaps she's in a foster home, or under the care of Dr. Thompkins or a similar character for whatever reason.

Either way Ivy Pepper sounds like an alias...who knows why they didn't use Pamela Isley. I don't really have a problem with it...I was just suggesting a possible reason. *Shrugs*.
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Old June 29 2014, 01:24 AM   #384
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Every time I've seen the character (in the animated series or in the comics) doesn't she hide by adopting her Pamela Isley persona?

How will she blend in now?
Umm, first off, it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to see the name "P. Isley" and notice a resemblance to "Poison Ivy." And secondly, Ivy never wears a mask! In fact, in some of her comics incarnations she hardly wears anything. The only time she was able to "blend in" in Batman: The Animated Series was in her debut episode, before Batman knew she was a criminal. He met Pamela Isley first, then figured out that she'd poisoned Harvey Dent, then tracked her to her greenhouse and found her in costume and insisting that he call her Poison Ivy. After that, her true identity was universally known and the only times she was able to go incognito were when she avoided showing her face at all, and used other aliases like "Dr. Demeter" (although that's not a very tough one to see through).

Not to mention the fact that the Ivy of the comics has a poison touch -- not exactly something that lets you blend in among civilians. And in some versions she has green skin. So no, a secret identity is not really part of Poison Ivy's general repertoire.
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Old July 3 2014, 06:22 AM   #385
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Carol Kane to recurr

The Oscar-nominated actress is joining Fox’s Batman origin tale in the recurring role of Gertrud Kapelput, the mother of Oswald Cobblepot aka The Penguin
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Old July 3 2014, 03:07 PM   #386
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Oh, interesting. So Cobblepot is an Anglicized form of Kapelput. Has that been established before, or is it original to the show?
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So...guessing that Gates of Gotham will not be among their chosen influences, judging by that backstory choice re: this version of Oswald, then.

Christopher: I think the Kapelput backstory is specific to this version of the character.
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Old July 10 2014, 11:56 PM   #388
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Gotham premieres September 22
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Old August 1 2014, 11:52 PM   #389
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Old August 3 2014, 06:38 AM   #390
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I like him, so I'm pretty happy about this.
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