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Old June 25 2014, 06:27 PM   #361
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Re: Fox Developing "Gotham" Young Jim Gordon Series

EW has new character posters here with brief descriptions of each character. Poison Ivy's real name is revealed to be Ivy Pepper in this version of the character rather than Pamela Isley.
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Old June 25 2014, 08:03 PM   #362
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Out Of My Vulcan Mind wrote: View Post
Poison Ivy's real name is revealed to be Ivy Pepper in this version of the character rather than Pamela Isley.
Changes like this bug me. I wonder if there's a story reason for it or if they just changed it arbitrarily.
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Old June 25 2014, 09:58 PM   #363
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Yeah, that bugs me too. Especially since she appears to be the only character with a new name. It's not to make it more believable, IMO Pamel Isley is a lot better name than Ivy Pepper.
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Old June 25 2014, 10:18 PM   #364
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Well, such changes have been made before. Batman: The Animated Series invented the name Dr. Victor Fries as Mr. Freeze's secret identity; the only real name he'd been given before was Dr. Schivel in the '66 TV series (which also changed his villain name to Mr. Freeze from Mr. Zero). B:TAS also changed the Clock King's name from William Tockman to Temple Fugate (a play on tempus fugit, "time flies"), and Killer Croc's name from Waylon Jones to (something) Morgan.
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Old June 25 2014, 10:31 PM   #365
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I guess it depends on how well established a character is. If it was a one-time person that they decided to re-invent with a new name, fine. But a long standing character like Poison Ivy has a name, a name that has been used in many iterations of Batman. Changing it now seems...odd.
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Old June 25 2014, 11:55 PM   #366
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A name change like that seems like an easy way to get negative buzz going. Comic die-hards may not be the majority of the audience but they probably generate a lot of the word-of-mouth. Stuff like this gets people skeptical before it even airs.
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Old June 26 2014, 12:02 AM   #367
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^^^
More likely we can file it with organic web shooters as one of the many things online fandom complained about but which ended up having no impact on the success of the movie or TV show once it debuted.
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Old June 26 2014, 12:15 AM   #368
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I guess it depends on how well established a character is. If it was a one-time person that they decided to re-invent with a new name, fine. But a long standing character like Poison Ivy has a name, a name that has been used in many iterations of Batman. Changing it now seems...odd.
The Clock King had been an established, recurring villain in the comics since 1960, and even appeared in the sole '66 TV storyline written by Batman's true creator, Bill Finger. That didn't stop B:TAS from changing his name.

New things always seem odd -- but then we get used to them and forget that they were ever anything other than normal.
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I wonder what this show's version of Gotham's map will look like. Will they stick with any of the previously published editions, or start over from scratch?
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Perhaps Ivy changes her name to Pamela Isley when she grows up or something in this universe. Ivy Pepper sounds like an alias.
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Old June 26 2014, 12:01 PM   #371
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In Gotham, Ivy Pepper is the executive assistant of Stark Tony, the Man of Iron.
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Old June 26 2014, 04:49 PM   #372
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Perhaps Ivy changes her name to Pamela Isley when she grows up or something in this universe. Ivy Pepper sounds like an alias.
Although they both sound like names that a writer concocted to resemble "Poison Ivy." I mean, really, P. Isley? That's hardly any less contrived. It just sounds more normal to us because we're used to it. Honestly, looking at it objectively, I think it makes a bit more sense for someone whose actual name is Ivy to adopt "Poison Ivy" as a nickname. Although it'd be fine if it were something like Ivy Richardson or Ivy McKay or something uncontrived like that.
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Old June 26 2014, 05:41 PM   #373
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^^ Come on, admit it, you just really like the name Ivy Pepper.
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I guess it depends on how well established a character is. If it was a one-time person that they decided to re-invent with a new name, fine. But a long standing character like Poison Ivy has a name, a name that has been used in many iterations of Batman. Changing it now seems...odd.
The Clock King had been an established, recurring villain in the comics since 1960, and even appeared in the sole '66 TV storyline written by Batman's true creator, Bill Finger. That didn't stop B:TAS from changing his name.

New things always seem odd -- but then we get used to them and forget that they were ever anything other than normal.
It just makes me question why they get changed in the first place. What was the writer's reason for the change? It doesn't upset me so much as confuse me.
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Old June 26 2014, 07:48 PM   #375
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^^ Come on, admit it, you just really like the name Ivy Pepper.
Actually, I don't care for it much at all. I'm just pointing out that "Pamela Isley" is contrived in its own way.


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It just makes me question why they get changed in the first place. What was the writer's reason for the change? It doesn't upset me so much as confuse me.
It's hard to know the reason for something in a story you haven't seen yet. But I can speculate. Given that this show is taking a relatively naturalistic approach and portraying these characters before they became supervillains, with the origin-story elements as subtext in what's presented as a more straightforward crime drama, it stands to reason that they'll avoid using any of the characters' noms de crime in the show. So maybe changing her name to Ivy was intended to make it clearer that she would one day become Poison Ivy. Although I'm not sure that's a good explanation, because they haven't changed Edward Nygma's or Oswald Cobblepot's name.

Sometimes TV shows and films change character names for legal reasons, to avoid entanglement with real people of the same name. Sometimes it's because there's only one person in the country with that name (which was why the original name for Star Trek: Enterprise's captain, Jackson Archer, was changed to Jonathan), and sometimes it's because there's a person with that name who has the same job, residence, or other characteristics as your character (which was why The Dresden Files' Chicago police detective Karrin Murphy was changed to Connie Murphy for TV, because there was a real Chicago police detective named Karen Murphy). I don't know if that would apply here, though, since it's likely that any real teenager named Pamela Isley would've been named after the Batman rogue to begin with.

Or maybe the writers just really didn't like the name Pamela Isley.
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