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Old May 13 2014, 10:07 PM   #331
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Re: Fox Developing "Gotham" Young Jim Gordon Series

It looks like this show will essentially flip Nolan's escalation theme around. The villains will emerge and exert a greater and greater influence on Gotham, eventually leading Bruce Wayne to become Batman.
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Old May 13 2014, 10:18 PM   #332
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Yeah as much as I like the idea of seeing all these villains in their early days (and probably all interacting with each other in various ways), the idea that every one of them was already established and doing bad things long before Bruce even hit puberty (let alone put on a cowl) does seem a little strange. Especially when you throw in the Joker as well.

Part of me almost wishes they could take Bruce out of the picture completely, and just pretend this is a world where Gordon is the only one taking on these criminals. Or at least make Bruce a teenager who's just beginning to train and prepare himself to be Batman.
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Old May 13 2014, 10:32 PM   #333
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I hate that -- he says "It's not a comic-book world," and then goes on to describe it as pretty much exactly what a comic-book world is. I can't believe that even in this day and age when comics pretty much rule all media, that long-outdated stereotype of what comics are limited to being still has such currency.


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So conflicted. Everything about it looks amazing, but then they have to go and bring up the Joker, and I so do not want that. You can do anyone else, but the Joker needs Batman.
I'm sure he's not going to be the Joker, he's just going to be the guy who will someday become the Joker, and his story arc will be leading him toward that endpoint, just like all the others.
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Old May 13 2014, 10:34 PM   #334
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Re: Fox Developing "Gotham" Young Jim Gordon Series

The kid playing Bruce is thirteen. Why is everyone acting like Bruce Wayne is an eight-year-old?

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I'm sure he's not going to be the Joker, he's just going to be the guy who will someday become the Joker, and his story arc will be leading him toward that endpoint, just like all the others.
Yes, that sounds terrible. Do that for anyone else. Never for the Joker.
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Old May 13 2014, 10:57 PM   #335
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I think by "comic book world" he just means the more overt Burton and Schumacher-style comic book world with the gaudy lighting and crazy costumes, etc.

Although even then I don't think the world looks quite as grounded and real as he seems to think.
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Old May 13 2014, 11:26 PM   #336
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The kid playing Bruce is thirteen. Why is everyone acting like Bruce Wayne is an eight-year-old?

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I'm sure he's not going to be the Joker, he's just going to be the guy who will someday become the Joker, and his story arc will be leading him toward that endpoint, just like all the others.
Yes, that sounds terrible. Do that for anyone else. Never for the Joker.
Yeah, the best thing about The Dark Knight was the lack of need for a backstory for the Joker. The Joker, essentially, had no backstory.

That being said, that's not always been the case. I think The Animated Series had him as a mobster, for example. I just don't think it's the best approach.
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Old May 13 2014, 11:27 PM   #337
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The kid playing Bruce is thirteen. Why is everyone acting like Bruce Wayne is an eight-year-old?
Because impressions are important, and that's more or less the impression the show's very concept gives off? "If you watch our product for five or six years, Bruce may become old enough to buy Selina some Plan B, 'just in case'."


... What this show should be: set in a universe in which the bugger didn't kill Mom and Pops Wayne, but did kill Bruce. Now Gordon has to fight emerging supervillains in a world that will never have a Batman... or will it? Will Gordon turn to off-hours vigilantism? Will Mom Wayne, increasingly terrified of the dark road her husband is going down, start handing him gizmos on the down low?

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Old May 13 2014, 11:52 PM   #338
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I think by "comic book world" he just means the more overt Burton and Schumacher-style comic book world with the gaudy lighting and crazy costumes, etc.
But that's exactly my point: That's a stereotype that doesn't fit what superhero comics have actually been like for generations. Even when those movies came out, they were far more superficial and fanciful than the Batman comics of the same era. (Indeed, the gritty, naturalistic style of the Nolan movies was inspired largely by the comics that were coming out around the time the Burton and Schumacher movies were being made.) It was an ignorant stereotype then to call that "comic book style," and it's an even more ignorant stereotype now, a generation later, when people should have more awareness of what comics are capable of. I mean, come on, The Walking Dead is a comic book. Maus is a comic book. Comics can be anything. They're a medium, not a genre.
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Old May 14 2014, 12:34 AM   #339
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Ignorant or not, it IS the term that a lot of people know and use, which is probably why he felt the need to address it.

I don't think it's anything really worth getting offended about.
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Old May 14 2014, 12:45 AM   #340
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It is always, always worth fighting ignorance. Ignorance is not a stance that should be defended. Especially when it is an unjust stereotype. Stereotypes hurt real people. Comic books are created by talented men and women who put a lot of care and effort into their creations and deserve recognition for it, as well as needing to make a living from it, and ignorant stereotypes about what comics are capable of prevents people from reading them and keeps those creators from getting as much appreciation -- and income -- as they deserve. How is that not worth protesting? Unfairness should always be challenged. Not because I'm "offended" by it -- although I am -- but because it's simply the right thing to do. Truth is important.
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Old May 14 2014, 02:07 AM   #341
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Truly one of the great injustices in the world.
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Old May 14 2014, 02:09 AM   #342
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His comment is kind of ironic, because this actually looks a lot more comic booky and OTT than the Nolan movies. My biggest complaint about the Nolan movies was that went so realistic in how they approached Gotham. So far I am really liking the more stylistic approach they seem to be taking here.
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Old May 14 2014, 02:19 AM   #343
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He does say it's a heightened reality. He's either using "comic book" to mean "cartoony" and/or as synonymous with costumed characters, something a lot of people still do. People who are steeped in comic books may prefer not to have the term used like that, but it's not a big deal.
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Old May 14 2014, 02:48 AM   #344
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I hate that -- he says "It's not a comic-book world," and then goes on to describe it as pretty much exactly what a comic-book world is. I can't believe that even in this day and age when comics pretty much rule all media, that long-outdated stereotype of what comics are limited to being still has such currency.


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So conflicted. Everything about it looks amazing, but then they have to go and bring up the Joker, and I so do not want that. You can do anyone else, but the Joker needs Batman.
I'm sure he's not going to be the Joker, he's just going to be the guy who will someday become the Joker, and his story arc will be leading him toward that endpoint, just like all the others.
It it was me, I'd introduce more than one potential Joker.
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Old May 14 2014, 04:33 AM   #345
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The show doesn't have to be about the Avengers popping up all the time, but just how SHIELD handles things (and least they're not trapped in angst like Smallville was, plus they've had the occasional appearance by a superhero.)
It was a reference to SHIELD no longer existing in the aftermath of The Winter Soldier.
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