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Old November 6 2013, 02:39 PM   #1426
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Re: Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

Do Nerd and Nerdette really get personalities in this? Or do they just get lines?

Do either or both do anything that's about what they personally want? Or do they just do whatever is needed to carry out the mission?
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Old November 6 2013, 02:43 PM   #1427
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I would say that Fitz's moment of deliberately exposing himself on the chance of being able to save his friend is more than just doing what the mission requires. Likewise Simmons willingly sacrificing herself. Did you watch it?
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Old November 6 2013, 03:22 PM   #1428
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^^^No I haven't watched it. I was looking in the thread for comments about the expected Thor reference, since I was planning to watch that Friday. Then I see comments about character development for two characters who haven't had any.
The questions were meant to help decide whether it would be worth the time going to Hulu. So, thanks for the answers.
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Old November 6 2013, 04:34 PM   #1429
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Ah...well, it's worth checking out, I'd say.

The Thor crossover episode is supposed to be in two weeks (the 19th).
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Old November 6 2013, 04:41 PM   #1430
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Personality development for both Fitz and Simmons.

Also, good on the Coulson front.
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Old November 6 2013, 06:17 PM   #1431
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"He can never know." There's something bigger than a garden variety resuscitation going on.
Well then there's the method of *how* he was resurrected. Which may be Asgardian resurrection chamber or some other Marvel entity or system. But I think at the base of it all, we're talking simple "brought back to life" rather than anything more sinister.
Then why make it a big, secret deal?

If they used Asgard tech, some healing magic or anything else to resuscitate Coulson why keep it a secret from him?

Fury could make a cool one liner aka "You're welcome Phil!" when Coulson woke up. However the way they're dealing with it means it's either something Coulson would totally disapprove or it only works because Coulson is unaware (if he is a LMD that's imprinted with Coulson's memories and character).

It has to be something really fucked up for them to make it one of the main mysteries of at least season one and i hope it will blow everyone away once it's revealed and not something like a simple high tech box that heals the body.

As to the episode:

Pretty good.. even though we know little about Fitzsimmons (i love how no one seems to separate their names to give them distiinction.. it's like they are joined twins or something ) i was still engaged in her struggle to save her life and by extension the life of her entire team.
Fitz' desperation was also very believable to me and played quite well.

That's the second time in a row where Coulson makes the hard choice.. almost any other show would have the characters go into overdrive and come up with a last minute solution to save Mr. Nobody of the Week's life. Here Coulson realizes that he can't help him (the same as with the dude last week who was too far gone to be saved) and evacuates.. sometimes there is nothing you can do and you have to accept it no matter how foul that may taste.

I think that came off very well and puts Shield a bit besides the usual shows.. people die, sometimes horribly and you can't save them all and sometimes you have to make a hard choice to save more people than you let die.. awful mathematics.

I hope they keep this aspect in the show.. you can't win all the time.

The show is improving episode by episode and i'm very happy about that and now i'm confident that once sweeps and the season finale come around it will spectacular (at least i hope so).
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Old November 6 2013, 06:32 PM   #1432
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However the way they're dealing with it means it's either something Coulson would totally disapprove or it only works because Coulson is unaware (if he is a LMD that's imprinted with Coulson's memories and character).
Or, as I said, we're being misled into assuming that the secret is about the method of his resurrection, and it's really about something different that happened during his recuperation after being brought back to life through entirely conventional means.
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Old November 6 2013, 08:01 PM   #1433
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Or... Last weeks episode resolved everything, and it will never be mentioned again because it's all sewn off.
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Old November 6 2013, 08:04 PM   #1434
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Do Nerd and Nerdette really get personalities in this? Or do they just get lines?

Do either or both do anything that's about what they personally want? Or do they just do whatever is needed to carry out the mission?
Personality, although I would argue their personalities have been starting to be seen for a couple weeks now. Yes to your last question.
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Old November 6 2013, 08:23 PM   #1435
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Sorry, but did Coulson just talk a guy into killing himself?
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Old November 6 2013, 08:26 PM   #1436
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No, he talked a guy into not panicking about his fate. He was doomed to die from the virus, as no one had developed a vaccine/anti-serum yet. And they only had minutes before he was going to die, anyway.
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Old November 6 2013, 11:47 PM   #1437
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Nice to see some reasonable followup from Avengers and get a sense of how Coulson's a bit rogueish these days unlike before. I'm off the LMD bandwagon now too, and if they focus instead on the aftereffects of what happened to him I'll be happy - thought there is still the lingering "He must never know" mystery.
I don't know. Data's "mother" was made to fool scanners to think she was a human.
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Old November 6 2013, 11:52 PM   #1438
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The whole point of a LMD is to fool scanners.
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Old November 6 2013, 11:57 PM   #1439
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It has to actually *be* Coulson, somehow. Otherwise, the show has no heart (No pun intended).
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Old November 7 2013, 12:22 AM   #1440
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Coulson is cool without being an asshole. (Or at least he was, but the body count he's absent-mindedly racking up is kind of unpleasant.) But I'm not interested in any song-and-dance about why he's still alive, and I can't imagine any reason for him not to know that doesn't mean in some sense he isn't Coulson.

Since Coulson is the only strong character on the show, undermining him makes the show less interesting. Which is why the other faults are grating on me so badly and why I'm so lacksadaisical about catching more episodes.
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