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Old November 6 2013, 03:14 AM   #1396
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I actually thought they were going to kill the girl. Joss tends to off a major character in the first few episodes of a new show. I would have been sad to have seen her go, though! But it would have given the surviving character a personal tragedy to deal with, and bonded the team together, and then you could have introduced a new character as an outsider.
They'd never do that. Then we'd have to start calling Fitzsimmons "Fitz".

Actually, the thought crossed my mind too but this doesn't strike me as the kind of show to make dramatic changes like that. At least not in episode 6.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:17 AM   #1397
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I'm beginning to think more and more there's no mystery or anything great that happened to Coulson. I think it really is as simple as that he died and was [somehow] revived. Whether that revival was Earth technology, Asgardian or otherwise remains to be seen. But I'm no longer thinking LMD, clone or anything along those lines. His death was just, well, simply retconed.
"He can never know." There's something bigger than a garden variety resuscitation going on.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:18 AM   #1398
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I'm beginning to think more and more there's no mystery or anything great that happened to Coulson. I think it really is as simple as that he died and was [somehow] revived. Whether that revival was Earth technology, Asgardian or otherwise remains to be seen. But I'm no longer thinking LMD, clone or anything along those lines. His death was just, well, simply retconed.

Again, a good episode. Really enjoyed and think the series is really growing and getting better.
Yeah, sounded like they were describing a near-death experience. Coming back cooler is even a side effect. Now how he came back remains to be seen.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:22 AM   #1399
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"He can never know." There's something bigger than a garden variety resuscitation going on.
Well then there's the method of *how* he was resurrected. Which may be Asgardian resurrection chamber or some other Marvel entity or system. But I think at the base of it all, we're talking simple "brought back to life" rather than anything more sinister.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:24 AM   #1400
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Parachute? Did we all not see the flying car sitting on the ramp! Lame.
Eh, maybe it doesn't work at great altitude? Anyway, very good episode. Liked it a lot.
Or maybe Ward does not know how to fly it.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:24 AM   #1401
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Or maybe they didn't have the keys.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:26 AM   #1402
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Can Lola fly? Or is it just a hover car?
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Old November 6 2013, 03:31 AM   #1403
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Coulson flew it to the airstrip faster than they could drive there between the first two episodes.

Which reminds me of how Coulson was talking to May the other week about possibly taking up flying. Granted, I'm sure a plane and a flying car handle differently, but he does already have some flying experience.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:34 AM   #1404
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Wow, this was really good. Our first Fitz/Simmons focus -- mainly Simmons -- and a good Coulson episode dealing with what he went through. The scene with Coulson and the doomed firefighter was very powerful, and the stuff with Jemma when everyone thought she was going to die was strong too. And wow, that act-break cliffhanger... or hatch-faller-out-of... shocking. Plus the skydiving scene was really cool. Oh, and the music was really good too.

And I think we can safely rule out the Life Model Decoy theory for Coulson. With a few exceptions, LMDs are robotic and can't pass as human on a medical exam. Now we know that Coulson has normal human vitals, he has blood, and he has scars.

What if we've been misled? What if Coulson really did survive exactly the way he said -- by getting medical treatment in the nick of time -- and the secret that "he can never know" is about something else, something that happened during his recuperation? Maybe he witnessed something so traumatic, or caused something so awful to happen, that he had to have his memory of it erased.


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Parachute? Did we all not see the flying car sitting on the ramp! Lame.
A car is much heavier than a parachute and thus would take more time to accelerate off the ramp, not to mention the time to warm up its flying engines. Not to mention that its larger cross-section would create more drag and make it harder to catch up with Simmons (which was implausible enough as it was given Simmons's headstart and the fact that she wasn't trying to slow her descent). The parachute was undoubtedly the better option there.


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- Lots of sudden camaraderie that we've never seen before. I liked it. You could see Whedon's fingerprints all over it.
Or Jeffrey Bell's?


- Typhoid Mary was mentioned.
I didn't catch that. And from context, was it a reference to the Marvel Comics character of that name, the fighter and pyrokinetic, or to the real-life historical figure of that name, the plague carrier?


- Fitzsimmons is an odd little entity. You'd think that they're an item but the male half is interested in Skye who knows this but deflects his advances. So what are they? Psychically linked after all? Just really good friends?
They're colleagues, fellow scientists. It's a close relationship, but it's a work relationship, a professional partnership.


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I actually thought they were going to kill the girl. Joss tends to off a major character in the first few episodes of a new show.
That happened with Buffy in the pilot and in Angel somewhat later (and reluctantly in that case), but it did not happen with any of the main characters in Firefly and Dollhouse. So of Whedon's four previous TV series, it only happened in the first two, and happened differently each time. I don't think that really qualifies as a tendency.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:40 AM   #1405
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I didn't catch that. And from context, was it a reference to the Marvel Comics character of that name, the fighter and pyrokinetic, or to the real-life historical figure of that name, the plague carrier?
The latter. Fitz or Simmons said that the alien was a carrier, like Typhoid Mary. Sorry folks, not a Marvel reference.

Speaking of, I nominate the "Iron Man" joke as the lamest MCU reference to date.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:41 AM   #1406
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^ Given that this is a Marvel TV show, my first thought was that she was referencing the comic book character. I thought... Does S.H.I.E.L.D. have a file on the character from Elektra? Or is she simply a comic book character in this universe? But now that you mention it, it sounds like the historical figure.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:47 AM   #1407
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I didn't catch that. And from context, was it a reference to the Marvel Comics character of that name, the fighter and pyrokinetic, or to the real-life historical figure of that name, the plague carrier?
The latter. Fitz or Simmons said that the alien was a carrier, like Typhoid Mary. Sorry folks, not a Marvel reference.

Speaking of, I nominate the "Iron Man" joke as the lamest MCU reference to date.
I liked May's response, though (the joke wasn't supposed to be funny, it was supposed to be deadpan and a dad joke more than anything else).

I agree that it's the historic Typhoid Mary being referenced. Interestingly enough, if there was a killer instead of a disease, it arguably fits the powers of Typhoid Mary, but I would be surprised if they even caught the reference themselves here.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:50 AM   #1408
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I was initially wondering if it would be Zzaxx. Well, my first thought was Electro, but then I remembered he's a Spider-Man villain (indeed, I used him in my Spidey novel, so I'd better remember that), so they couldn't use him.
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Old November 6 2013, 03:58 AM   #1409
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I think this was the best episode yet.
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They need to hire this writer again. More characterization in this one than the previous five.
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