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Old October 25 2013, 12:24 PM   #1171
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Old October 25 2013, 01:28 PM   #1172
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Sometimes my body booties a blow a little too quickly. I know, TMI....
Really? So much for sleeping tonight...
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Old October 25 2013, 01:37 PM   #1173
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Sure, it can be both, but how shallow and mercenary would it be to make a show that had no other purpose except to be an extended commercial for the movies? That's a ghastly notion.
Aren't you a fan of Power Rangers? Aren't those just toy commercials when you get down to it?
Okay, that's a point. But in terms of story, they're self-contained and have their own arcs. It's more of a symbiotic relationship between the shows that help sell the toys and the toys that help fund the shows.

I just think that a story should be complete and meaningful within itself. If a story doesn't work without reference some other story, then it's incomplete. Cross-reference to a different story should be a bonus. It shouldn't be "the point" of the entire project. Yes, Agents of SHIELD is meant to interrelate with the movies, but it's meant to be a worthwhile addition to the whole in its own right. It doesn't exist for the exclusive purpose of shilling the movies.
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Old October 25 2013, 05:14 PM   #1174
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It's still early days yet and the show is still trading on it's links to the movies to keep the casual viewers interested. Hopefully by the end of the season it will have found it's own footing and built up it's own lore so as to not need to rely so much on the films.

Indeed I fully anticipate that if/when that happens, people will gripe that they don't reference the films enough anymore.
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Old October 25 2013, 08:05 PM   #1175
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Old October 25 2013, 10:23 PM   #1176
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It's still early days yet and the show is still trading on it's links to the movies to keep the casual viewers interested. Hopefully by the end of the season it will have found it's own footing and built up it's own lore so as to not need to rely so much on the films.
Unfortunately by the time it gets to that point, the ratings will have already sunk too low for it to matter. At least judging by how fast they're dropping right now with every episode...
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Old October 25 2013, 10:37 PM   #1177
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They need to dump Skye although they seem to have some grand plan for her so I can't see that happening : (
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Old October 25 2013, 10:43 PM   #1178
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Networks are too fast to dump shows that perform below their expectations. Not only that, but are they accurately counting viewers? Is AoS really doing less well every episode, or did it start high from the hype, and is now settling towards realistic viewership? Especially when most people will end up delaying their viewing until later, sometimes days later.

Besides, ABC is owned by Disney, who owns Marvel. Why would Disney let AoS get canceled, when it is a perfect vehicle for promoting their other products? If anyone can get this show to develop its own lore and have its own identity, I think it's Whedon. The suits just need to give it a chance.
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Old October 25 2013, 10:49 PM   #1179
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I agree the Disney connection will probably keep it on the air longer than it otherwise might. But even with DVR numbers added in, the ratings are still dropping a lot more than they should (at least from everything I've read), and I'm not sure how long the network will be able to overlook that.

With how much the show costs, I don't think they can afford to keep it around with just a small, Fringe-level audience. And that seems to be the direction it's heading in.
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Old October 26 2013, 01:28 AM   #1180
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SHIELD is admirable because it's against change?
I'm not convinced that Wheddon is showing SHIELD to be admirable. Well-intentioned, perhaps, but he seems to clearly be laying themes of SHIELD often being destructive and harmful (bad in the name of the greater good).
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Old October 26 2013, 01:33 AM   #1181
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With how much the show costs, I don't think they can afford to keep it around with just a small, Fringe-level audience. And that seems to be the direction it's heading in.
Costs? Disney? Disney's practically made out of money. They could afford to make AoS for years without worrying about whether anyone watched it.
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Old October 26 2013, 01:49 AM   #1182
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I'm not convinced that Wheddon is showing SHIELD to be admirable. Well-intentioned, perhaps, but he seems to clearly be laying themes of SHIELD often being destructive and harmful (bad in the name of the greater good).
Oh, absolutely. From the start, the series has been questioning SHIELD's methods and integrity -- not as overtly yet as The Avengers did, but there are hints that those questions will be a major thread in the season (particularly since it was just reported that the season will be building up to the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, which looks to be confronting those questions even more directly).


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Costs? Disney? Disney's practically made out of money. They could afford to make AoS for years without worrying about whether anyone watched it.
On the other hand, rich people generally don't get rich by tossing money away profligately, but by being stingy with it.
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Old October 26 2013, 01:50 AM   #1183
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Yeah. I think we underestimate Disney's capacity for patience. They haven't lasted this long by pulling the plug prematurely.
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Old October 26 2013, 01:54 AM   #1184
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Thanks to Big Boo re: that orphanage file. Do we have anything similar re: Chan's files?
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Old October 26 2013, 02:18 AM   #1185
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The comics character Victoria Hand is coming to "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D."
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