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Old October 23 2013, 05:01 PM   #1111
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Best line of the episode:

"great, they gave him a name"
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Old October 23 2013, 05:17 PM   #1112
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Before Hydra was in the Captain America movie (as a more international market safe Nazi pseudonym), it was the ultimate SHIELD enemy in the comics; in G.I. Joe terms, Hydra is Cobra.
As it happens, a number of the G. I. Joe characters were based on a failed pitch Larry Hama had made for a team called Fury Force, which would've been "a group of specialized soldiers who worked for SHIELD" -- a similar concept to this show, albeit more military. However, despite this, Cobra was not based on HYDRA, even though it would be natural to expect that they were. (Source)


Although, I must admit that when the enemy agents came in to abduct "Scorch" in last night's episode, my first thought was that their flame-resistant suits looked like the AIM bee-keeper outfits.
Hmm, do you suppose that could've been an intentional nod? Anyway, as I've mentioned before, in the comics AIM was originally HYDRA's special-weapons research division. My expectation all along has been that the archenemy would be AIM and the team would discover their link to HYDRA.

I'm wondering who the man in prison was. I can't help but suspect that his line "You know I'm not going to do the talking" is a clue of some sort.
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Old October 23 2013, 05:22 PM   #1113
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Overall a good episode that moved the meta plot ahead but i'm still not biting my nails or falling out of the chair.

If they didn't have Clark Gregg/Coulson on the show it would tank really hard.. he just carries the entire thing.

Really liked how they didn't drag out her secrecy plot line.. even as a superhacker it was dumb of her to use her phone while inside Shield so being caught should have just been a matter of time and it was.

However how he just halfway forgave her for betraying the team and "just" gave her the probation bracelet was just too fast and implausible given how furious he was when he found out. On top of that she has proven to be untrustworthy so being a member of a highly specialized and important team is not very believable.

The show is improving but i'm still waiting for the one episode that blows the whole thing wide open and everything pays off.
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Old October 23 2013, 05:27 PM   #1114
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Remind if there is a Marvel secret villain society called "The 100"

Google seems to be useless in confirming this.
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Old October 23 2013, 06:36 PM   #1115
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The 100 is one of DC's costumed-mobster groups.
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Old October 23 2013, 06:47 PM   #1116
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In the comics, Jonathan Hickman has gone to great lengths to broaden the scope and depth of Hydra to where they are practically everywhere. One facet of the organization deals with scientific research, while another studies interdimensional spells, and yet another is infiltrating the upper levels of government. The group is so large and multifocused that the TV show could use them as the big bad for the entire series run by just facing off against one "arm" of the Hydra each season.
It goes back a bit further than Jonathan Hickman, to Dan G. Chichester's runs - with or without collaborating writers - on Nick Fury, Daredevil, Nightstalkers, and so on. The occult ops arm was called the Department of Occult Artifacts(DOA).

Hickman's added a couple of new things to help cover Hydra's financing and research in various fields:

http://marvel.wikia.com/Echidna_Capi...28Earth-616%29
http://marvel.wikia.com/Typhon_Group_%28Earth-616%29
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Old October 23 2013, 06:51 PM   #1117
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Thank you, and curses.
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Old October 23 2013, 07:21 PM   #1118
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Overall a good episode that moved the meta plot ahead but i'm still not biting my nails or falling out of the chair.

If they didn't have Clark Gregg/Coulson on the show it would tank really hard.. he just carries the entire thing.

Really liked how they didn't drag out her secrecy plot line.. even as a superhacker it was dumb of her to use her phone while inside Shield so being caught should have just been a matter of time and it was.

However how he just halfway forgave her for betraying the team and "just" gave her the probation bracelet was just too fast and implausible given how furious he was when he found out. On top of that she has proven to be untrustworthy so being a member of a highly specialized and important team is not very believable.

The show is improving but i'm still waiting for the one episode that blows the whole thing wide open and everything pays off.
I agree with everything you said about the last episode, and the show in general. While I like the show, it hasn’t done what it needs to do to make itself a must watch for me like Arrow has. I plan to watch every episode, but I feel like I could miss an episode or two and not feel like I’ve missed anything important. This last episode was decent, and I’m glad they didn’t drag out the “betrayal” plot, but it felt like an episode I could have missed and it wouldn’t have really mattered.
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Old October 23 2013, 09:40 PM   #1119
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Liked this episode a lot more than the last, even if it was hard to get excited about yet another guy who can (yawn) shoot fireballs out of his hands. For a show set in the world of Avengers with it's classic-style superheroes, the continued focus on X-Men style mutants can't help but seem a bit disappointing to me for some reason.

I know it's a fine line between the two in the comics, but after countless movies set in the X-Men world I was really hoping to see some different kinds of characters and threats for this show. Not just more people who can create fire and read minds.
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Old October 23 2013, 10:12 PM   #1120
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To be fair none of the superpowered people that appeared on the show were mutations in origin.

- dude from the pilot - Extremis and Centipede device

- captured scientist - will most likely turn out to be a supervillain with gravity based powers (superpower obtained through science)

- rogue Shield Operative - cybernetic eye

- chinese street "magician" - it's insinuated that he got his powers through simple radiation, powers amplified through modified Extremis virus

So no mutants yet. Mutants as shown in the Marvel universe are inherently born with the X gene, everybody else who obtained superpowers have their gene code changed through various methods but they are not Mutants in the Marvel sense.

I guess we'll see mutants somewhere along the show but since Fox (is it Fox?) has basically the rights to the X-Men part of the universe it may be hard to show some interesting things without encroaching on X-Men territory (i guess the Marvel studio is kicking themselves constantly for letting this license get out of house ).
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Old October 23 2013, 11:07 PM   #1121
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The idea that SHIELD wouldn't have brought him in and either trained him to use his powers more effectively for their purposes (or just locked him up) when they first found him is pretty much completely unbelievable. No way Fury would have just let an asset like that go to waste. If they had made it less impressive, like little candle flames on his fingertips or something like that, I might have bought it.
It wasn't much more than that. It was a low-level power that he had limited ability to control.
He had been given little incentive to learn to use it better. Surely SHIELD could have made a project of him and found a way to enhance his natural ability much like the Extremis did.
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He burned someone to cinders in a few seconds even after the centipede formula wore off and as far as we've seen, he had only really tried to develop it beyond showing off to girls for that few hours he was in their lab.
I think you missed the shot where Chan/Scorch saw a tray of the hypodermics containing the Extremis formula, which were in the foreground of the shot and closely focused on by the camera for several seconds. It was after this that he burned his SHIELD handler to death. What that tells us is that he re-injected himself with the serum in order to give himself a new power boost. That's why he died a few minutes later -- because, as the bad guys said in dialogue, without his fireproof platelets, he'd have no protection against the serum's explosive properties.
Why was it necessary for May to inject him with the Extremis then? It was her double-dose that set him off.
So the enhanced abilities you're talking about only existed because of the serum. His own unaugmented ability was far more limited.
He is a human who is both fireproof and able to create (and control) flame from his hands. Limited or not that isn't someone you let walk around unutilized in a world where Captain America, Hawkeye and Black Widow are considered superheroes.

Who says Extremis was even the reason he was able to perform at that level? How would they even know that his powers would be enhanced? It may just as likely have been a mental block from a lack of confidence and the discouraging warnings of SHIELD. This is the most powerful naturally occurring (not engineered or the result of an experiment gone wrong) meta-human ability we have seen in the MCU. I just don't buy it.
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Old October 23 2013, 11:09 PM   #1122
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To be fair none of the superpowered people that appeared on the show were mutations in origin.
Maybe not literal mutants, but for all intents and purposes they might as well be with the kinds of powers they have.

The asian dude in last night's ep might have gotten his power through radiation, but in the end his abilities still made him look like another Pyro from X2.
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Old October 23 2013, 11:29 PM   #1123
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Before Hydra was in the Captain America movie (as a more international market safe Nazi pseudonym), it was the ultimate SHIELD enemy in the comics; in G.I. Joe terms, Hydra is Cobra.
As it happens, a number of the G. I. Joe characters were based on a failed pitch Larry Hama had made for a team called Fury Force, which would've been "a group of specialized soldiers who worked for SHIELD" -- a similar concept to this show, albeit more military. However, despite this, Cobra was not based on HYDRA, even though it would be natural to expect that they were. ([URL="http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2006/01/05/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-32/"]Source[/
^Interesting back story, Christopher. I always imagined the Joe/Cobra and SHIELD/Hydra similarities to be coincidental and unrelated but it appears that Larry Hama may have bridged them in an altered form, at least behind the scenes.

Your idea about AIM being a subsiderary of Hydra on the show is also interesting. If it does turn out to be AIM, I wonder if the yellow bee-keeper uniforms will make an appearance, possibly modified for modern audiences, or if TPTB will decide to just forego the outfits all together. They may look ridiculous but I sort of hope to see them, for however briefly.
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Old October 23 2013, 11:34 PM   #1124
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Actually, I thought May injected him with something to paralyze him, since he couldn't move afterward. If it was Extremis, then it must have just been to accelerate it, because I saw him eyeing the vials, too.

This was another great episode. I was a bit nervous about the betrayal plotline, but they handled it well. Sky looking for her parents was a nice twist and it brought Coulson back down to Earth. From his reaction, I couldn't tell if he already knows something or not (and I'm sure he won't turn out to be her father). But it was good to see him in a bit of a different light; I love his blue-skies character, but something's got to set him off from time to time. And the reactions of all the other characters was perfect as well, especially Fitz's hurt naivete. I can't wait to see the healing process begin next week-- at least I hope it will begin next week.
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Old October 24 2013, 12:02 AM   #1125
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He had been given little incentive to learn to use it better. Surely SHIELD could have made a project of him and found a way to enhance his natural ability much like the Extremis did.
SHIELD's policy in the MCU seems to be to contain the public outbreak of superhumans, not to enable it. It's been expressed on the show, and is consistent with how eager they were to provide Tony Stark with a cover story at the end of Iron Man. Furthermore, the M.O. of having a case officer keeping tabs on the superhuman sounds like a slightly more hands-on version of their "watch but don't disturb" policy with Banner.

And the events of the episode served as a lesson in why SHIELD makes an effort to keep beings such the pyro guy under wraps. They aren't all cut out to be super-heroes, and there are others out there who would use them towards nefarious ends.
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