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Old October 17 2013, 02:08 AM   #961
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Re: Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

The Avengers wanted Shwarma...Loki wanted Chinese...the true reason for the Battle of New York is revealed....
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Old October 17 2013, 02:57 AM   #962
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S.H.I.E.L.D. tried to nuke New York.

America should have seceded from S.H.I.E.L.D. out right and immediately after that gem came to light.
Wondering if The Winter Soldier ends up running with that little detail.
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Old October 17 2013, 03:05 AM   #963
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Come to think of it, the SHIELD series would be a great platform to explore the idea of a real world reacting to the existence of alien invasions and super heroes. Show more the impact on the general populace. We got a bit of that in the pilot with the store full of action figures but I want more of that.
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Old October 17 2013, 10:53 AM   #964
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Mind you, they did have a pair of green monsters tear up Harlem about a year previous and a swarm of robotic drones blew the crap out of the Stark Expo around the same time so maybe the blow was softened a *teeny* bit?
Well that was actually my thinking about it. If word travels as fast in that world as it does in ours, most people would have already been aware of Thor and Hulk, and seen footage of them fighting some pretty crazy things like the Abomination and the Destroyer (since I really doubt SHIELD would be able to keep those events completely contained).

So by the time aliens arrived, people probably would have been much more prepared for the idea than we would be, who've never seen giant monsters and robots and all-powerful gods battling each other in the streets.
No so much the incident with Thor. I think Skye had a blink and you'll miss it line about Shield having covered up what happened in New Mexico. It was a small town in the middle of nowhere, so I could see them pulling that off.

Harlem has a LOT more people. We saw Abomination strolling down a heavily trafficked street with hundreds of witnesses.

Still, I don't think it would lessen the shock to a significant degree. We all saw the massive cultural impact a couple of hijacked planes had around the world and they hysteria it didn't let up for *years*. It profoundly changed the world and we've only begun to see the long term implications.

What happened in NY would be easily tenfold.
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Old October 17 2013, 11:05 AM   #965
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S.H.I.E.L.D. tried to nuke New York.

America should have seceded from S.H.I.E.L.D. out right and immediately after that gem came to light.
Wondering if The Winter Soldier ends up running with that little detail.
Some observations-- First, it was the World Security Council that tried to nuke NYC, not SHIELD. Second, Jenny Agutter played the WSC member who ordered the pilot to nuke NYC. Agutter will be in Winter Soldier as a subordinate to Robert Redford's "Alexander Pierce". Third, Redford has let slip that he is actually playing the villain of the piece (Robert Redskull?). So Winter Soldier actually just might pick up on that little plot point.
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Old October 17 2013, 07:04 PM   #966
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Not reading all 64+ pages of this thread

So far I am very disappointed with this new series.

The only actor I'm impressed with is Melinda May played by Ming-Na Wen (good in SGU as well)

The pilot was not gripping. The actors either aren't good and/or don't play off each other well.

Each episode is getting a little better.

I was expecting allot more "Joss" (or maybe Firefly) here. His characters usually blend well together.
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Old October 17 2013, 07:13 PM   #967
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S.H.I.E.L.D. tried to nuke New York.

America should have seceded from S.H.I.E.L.D. out right and immediately after that gem came to light.
Wondering if The Winter Soldier ends up running with that little detail.
Some observations-- First, it was the World Security Council that tried to nuke NYC, not SHIELD. Second, Jenny Agutter played the WSC member who ordered the pilot to nuke NYC. Agutter will be in Winter Soldier as a subordinate to Robert Redford's "Alexander Pierce". Third, Redford has let slip that he is actually playing the villain of the piece (Robert Redskull?). So Winter Soldier actually just might pick up on that little plot point.
Just imagine that I have never gone into the Winter Soldier thread.
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Old October 17 2013, 08:34 PM   #968
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The number of deaths would be absolutely irrelevant. Even if they did nothing more Earth-shattering than ordering Chinese takeout...
Oh come on! Chinese take out?! They'd obviously opt for Shwarma.

And, I actually think the events in "Thor" would be the ones most easily contained. The destroyer, the portal to Asgard, all of it. We're talking about a small, desert, town in New Mexico. Sure it'd probably generate conspiracy theories and such but it'd hardly be big news that reach most people. The stuff in "Thor" could have easily been contained by SHIELD.
Totally. Thor was an easy coverup, and considering the presence of so many agents and the way SHIELD scooped up Jane's van and research, the coverup was pretty obvious.

There was no way to cover up New York.

If anyone really doesn't get how much impact the Chitari had, I'd suggest going to the library and requesting a copy of a little book called "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke.
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Old October 17 2013, 08:53 PM   #969
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Psychological trauma doesn't count in New York. If my Woody Allen movies are to be believed, there are 3 Psychiatrists per New Yorker in New York City.

Globally however, there might be a problem.
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Old October 18 2013, 03:16 AM   #970
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Wow, another big improvement IMO. I think the spy vs spy route is exactly what SHIELD should be doing. Some people want the superheroes, I'm happier only seeing super powered villains/heroes once in a while. AIM, HYDRA and maybe even some new organizations should be the primary bad guys. Still, a Mark Ruffalo/Hulk cameo maybe in a season finale or premier would be epic.

I like how competent everyone seemed in this episode, and the tone was a little more serious. Sky saying things like "which way is south?" is cute but not incompetent, and thats how it should play from here on out.
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Old October 18 2013, 01:10 PM   #971
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Almost half the team is Scottish.
Hopefully, a future plot will require solving via caber-tossing.
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Old October 18 2013, 02:55 PM   #972
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Well I enjoyed that episode a lot more. Something about it just clicked for me. I hope we get more improvements like this.
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Old October 18 2013, 03:20 PM   #973
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The number of deaths would be absolutely irrelevant. Even if they did nothing more Earth-shattering than ordering Chinese takeout...
Oh come on! Chinese take out?! They'd obviously opt for Shwarma.

And, I actually think the events in "Thor" would be the ones most easily contained. The destroyer, the portal to Asgard, all of it. We're talking about a small, desert, town in New Mexico. Sure it'd probably generate conspiracy theories and such but it'd hardly be big news that reach most people. The stuff in "Thor" could have easily been contained by SHIELD.
Totally. Thor was an easy coverup, and considering the presence of so many agents and the way SHIELD scooped up Jane's van and research, the coverup was pretty obvious.

There was no way to cover up New York.

If anyone really doesn't get how much impact the Chitari had, I'd suggest going to the library and requesting a copy of a little book called "Childhood's End" by Arthur C. Clarke.
Maybe they could have SHIELD missions where they have to destroy evidence, create hoaxes and plant doubts in the population over what happened.
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Old October 18 2013, 03:44 PM   #974
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^That's what Shield does but I wouldn't want an episode of it (unless their was no other way). Covering up aliens and things of that sort seems pointless after New York anyway. I would like to see more super-powered beings but I'll settle for spy vs spy or what I imagined AoS would be, an X-files/Sherlock Holmes/A Team with an espionage approach.

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Old October 18 2013, 07:49 PM   #975
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^Plus that's more like SHIELD grunt work. This is supposed to be about a small team of specialists taking on the more unusual cases, they're not the clean-up crew for Banner and Thor.
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