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Old May 15 2014, 01:16 AM   #5641
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Now that I think about it, I believe someone spotted the "Kree" lettering on an action figure or something for a character who's in the trailer. Forget his name but he's definitely Kree. Has a big hammer, middle name "the".

Seeing both those languages together makes things interesting. Could it mean those people were Skrulls and they're trying to decode some Kree data? A secret Skrull-Kree war on Earth perhaps? It would line up with Skye's parents being "monsters" and SHIELD getting their hands of a Kree corpse. Of course that's assuming those two things are even related.
You mean this?

http://screenrant.com/agents-of-shield-blue-alien-kree/

For my part, I think the scratch on the alien's chest is just a random battle wound.
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Old May 15 2014, 04:20 AM   #5642
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I suspect that scene was conceived and inserted after the fact. Probably would've been smoother by omitting the coffin scene, it plays like it was meant to replace it rather than follow it.

EDIT: watching it again, it's interesting that the coffin was there in that room. So maybe it could be rationalized the dead guys were actually Hydra agents who took him there to rebuild him. Maybe they died because Garrett is well, Garrett.
When I saw them closing the lid on Garrett, I thought he would be coming back before the end of the episode.

Him getting vaporized was about as good as SLJ getting it in Deep Blue Sea.
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Old May 15 2014, 04:22 AM   #5643
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For my part, I think the scratch on the alien's chest is just a random battle wound.
A random battle wound of one perfectly vertical line and two horizontal ones running perpendicular to it? (And that matches the same general style of the writing both Garrett and Coulson were scribing?)
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Old May 15 2014, 09:58 AM   #5644
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Well, the show pretty much redeemed itself for me with this episode. The conversation between Coulson and Fury was everything I was hoping for-- Fury saved Coulson, not because he is an alien or an 086 or the Chosen One or his coming was foretold in the scrolls of prophecy, but just because he's a really good person. Coulson is the reason I watched this show to begin with and that kind of blue-skies philosophy is what made me love it. I can forgive a few haywire moments for that. And Coulson now has his mandate-- and a mysterious toolbox-- to rebuild SHIELD.

The entire subplot about Fitz and Simmons, from the moment she woke up to Fury pulling them out of the ocean like a Deus Ex Machina, was wonderful. I loved the conversation about the afterlife, I loved them realizing that certain death was a problem they could solve, I loved Fitz's confession, and I loved Gemma's reaction. The only thing I didn't love was the implication that Fitz is not completely okay. They better not screw him up. And if they do, they better have a way to fix him.

I'm glad they acknowledged in-story that Ward is just a puppy dog for Garrett. It's good that he's in custody, but I'd rather he was dead and gone (nothing against the actor-- I feel kind of bad for him). The showdown with May was pretty cringe-worthy, but it was the only bad moment in the episode, really.

I got a big kick out of Deathlok disappearing into the shadows to make amends. That was surely a classic Marvel Comics moment. And it was great when he got that text message from his son and blasted Garrett a fraction of a second later-- that was satisfying to watch.

And we've got some stuff to wonder about for next season, other than Fitz's health. Raina apparently knows Skye's daddy. And Coulson seems to understand the symbols that Garrett was drawing-- and he, too, would rather scratch them on a wall than use pencil and paper. I'm thinking Kree.

Anyway-- really nice. I'll rewatch it when I get the chance. And I'm back to getting the DVD set again.
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Old May 15 2014, 10:51 AM   #5645
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The entire subplot about Fitz and Simmons, from the moment she woke up to Fury pulling them out of the ocean like a Deus Ex Machina, was wonderful. I loved the conversation about the afterlife, I loved them realizing that certain death was a problem they could solve, I loved Fitz's confession, and I loved Gemma's reaction. The only thing I didn't love was the implication that Fitz is not completely okay. They better not screw him up. And if they do, they better have a way to fix him.

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Was thinking about other Whedon shows and thought up one instance where it wasnt entirely bad thing to shake things up even with already good characters. In Angel Fred was a great, but Illyria was even better After all Fitz as we know him did get pretty great last scene. "Dying" by saving woman he loves.
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Old May 15 2014, 11:01 AM   #5646
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Glenn Quinn who played Doyle (from Angel) died in 2002!

That character was set up just to be knocked down.

I wonder if he was told going in, that the role was limited.
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Old May 15 2014, 12:07 PM   #5647
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For my part, I think the scratch on the alien's chest is just a random battle wound.
A random battle wound of one perfectly vertical line and two horizontal ones running perpendicular to it? (And that matches the same general style of the writing both Garrett and Coulson were scribing?)
More importantly, it perfectly lines up with Ronan the Accuser's symbol.
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Old May 15 2014, 02:46 PM   #5648
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Back to the Garret dying scene, did anybody really think Deathlok killed him in one shot? Garret was a "Deathlok" himself, plus on space meth makes him super hard to kill. But the editing was jumpy, I'll agree with that.

Did anyone think an Ultron head was going to be the last part installed on Garret when that machine was rebuilding him? When I saw that body, that's the first thing that popped in my mind.

Also, I'm suprised that no one mentioned Fury basically infered that Coulson is an Avenger.

I have no complaints. I just hope Fitz doesnt turn into Modok. I want Modok to show up, really bad, but I want him to be a straight villian, not a tragic bad guy.
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Old May 15 2014, 03:02 PM   #5649
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Well, the show pretty much redeemed itself for me with this episode. The conversation between Coulson and Fury was everything I was hoping for-- Fury saved Coulson, not because he is an alien or an 086 or the Chosen One or his coming was foretold in the scrolls of prophecy, but just because he's a really good person. Coulson is the reason I watched this show to begin with and that kind of blue-skies philosophy is what made me love it. I can forgive a few haywire moments for that. And Coulson now has his mandate-- and a mysterious toolbox-- to rebuild SHIELD.

The entire subplot about Fitz and Simmons, from the moment she woke up to Fury pulling them out of the ocean like a Deus Ex Machina, was wonderful. I loved the conversation about the afterlife, I loved them realizing that certain death was a problem they could solve, I loved Fitz's confession, and I loved Gemma's reaction. The only thing I didn't love was the implication that Fitz is not completely okay. They better not screw him up. And if they do, they better have a way to fix him.

I'm glad they acknowledged in-story that Ward is just a puppy dog for Garrett. It's good that he's in custody, but I'd rather he was dead and gone (nothing against the actor-- I feel kind of bad for him). The showdown with May was pretty cringe-worthy, but it was the only bad moment in the episode, really.

I got a big kick out of Deathlok disappearing into the shadows to make amends. That was surely a classic Marvel Comics moment. And it was great when he got that text message from his son and blasted Garrett a fraction of a second later-- that was satisfying to watch.

And we've got some stuff to wonder about for next season, other than Fitz's health. Raina apparently knows Skye's daddy. And Coulson seems to understand the symbols that Garrett was drawing-- and he, too, would rather scratch them on a wall than use pencil and paper. I'm thinking Kree.

Anyway-- really nice. I'll rewatch it when I get the chance. And I'm back to getting the DVD set again.
^^ This!!

I loved that Samuel L Jackson wasn't "too big" to make an appearance on a TV show. His presense rather than someone just talking about him really made this episode (and season) for me.

I didn't read much Marvel Comics as a kid, but I really am looking forward to learning about Skye's "parents" and what she really is.

... and to think, I wanted Skye to get schwacked for most of this season... now I'm glad she's part of the team.

I'm still on the fence WRT Ward... he's committed many sins, but I can see them taking him back... who knows I guess.

I thought Garrett was going to become another supervillon... then...

"SPLAT"

Can't wait for the next season to start and looking forward to seeing how they keep this series interlinked with all the Marvel movies.

For a series that started really slow (I thought) it really came on at the end of this season.
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Old May 15 2014, 03:17 PM   #5650
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Back to the Garret dying scene, did anybody really think Deathlok killed him in one shot? Garret was a "Deathlok" himself, plus on space meth makes him super hard to kill. But the editing was jumpy, I'll agree with that.
The kill shot was Deathlok crushing (what I think was) his head with his robotic leg. I could believe they thought he was dead.
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Old May 15 2014, 03:24 PM   #5651
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SLJ was great. The problem is, Coulson suffers by comparison - the character, in my opinion, is more sidekick than lead.
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Did anyone think an Ultron head was going to be the last part installed on Garret when that machine was rebuilding him?
No, because I remembered seeing an image of the comics' Garrett, who has a fully metallic body beneath a human head. So I recognized that this was Garrett becoming that version of himself at last -- for all of ten seconds.



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The kill shot was Deathlok crushing (what I think was) his head with his robotic leg. I could believe they thought he was dead.
No, we saw Garrett's head intact afterward, but there was a big wound in his chest, which is presumably where Deathlok's foot came down.
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Old May 15 2014, 03:31 PM   #5653
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SLJ was great. The problem is, Coulson suffers by comparison - the character, in my opinion, is more sidekick than lead.
I would agree, specifically the 1st 3/4's of the season. But I think he was "warmed" up to being the lead and the actor and character have progressed.
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Old May 15 2014, 03:36 PM   #5654
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Amazing finale, it had it all!

What a turn around from half a season ago, I was almost ready to quit, now this is one of my favourite shows on TV right now.
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The showdown with May was pretty cringe-worthy, but it was the only bad moment in the episode, really.
Utterly disagree. I wanted Ward's ass kicked and May provided that with interest.
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