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Old May 9 2014, 04:23 AM   #5431
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Re: Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

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Its simple folks. The dog was running AWAY from Ward. Switch to the sniper and suddenly, instead of the dog running away from ward it is now running from left to right. It is an obvious switch to the perspective of a different person, most likely Garrett (unless there was a 3rd person nearby).
Or, the dog veered right.

And we did not hear a gunshot.
Or was it blended with the sound of Ward hitting the eject button?

One thing nobody's brought up: If Ward hadn't killed the dog, would Garrett have still accepted him as a partner/accomplice? It seemed pretty clear to me that if he didn't obey, he would've failed Garrett's last test. Killing Buddy was his final exam -- and judging from later events, it seems likely that he passed.


Similarly the Bus was in VTOL mode, moving forward slowly at a very low altitude. It is at best a four level drop. It will still hurt or even kill, but at least this is much more survivable than say a drop from 10,000ft.
And, again, Ward didn't choose that method of disposing of them. They locked themselves in the chamber, and he couldn't get at them to shoot them. So he did the best he could. That's not Ward showing mercy, that's the show's writers setting up the situation so that their contracted series regulars stay alive despite Ward trying his best to kill them.

Also: Ward does not know that Fitz has a homing beacon in his pocket. He has no reason to believe that anyone will be able to find Fitz and Simmons before they suffocate, drown, or die of thirst. If anything, he probably thinks he's condemned them to a much crueler fate than just shooting them.


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ABC has renewed the show and ordered Agent Carter to series.
Yay and yay!

Although this means that of the two series, the one that will actually feature SHIELD as a going concern will be the one that doesn't have SHIELD in its title. (Well, okay, it's the SSR according to the press release, but it's the precursor of SHIELD.)
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Old May 9 2014, 04:29 AM   #5432
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One thing nobody's brought up: If Ward hadn't killed the dog, would Garrett have still accepted him as a partner/accomplice? It seemed pretty clear to me that if he didn't obey, he would've failed Garrett's last test. Killing Buddy was his final exam -- and judging from later events, it seems likely that he passed.
The obvious take away there is that Garrett may think the dog is dead from the sound of the gunshots.
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Old May 9 2014, 04:40 AM   #5433
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The obvious take away there is that Garrett may think the dog is dead from the sound of the gunshots.
Which rules out the theory that Garrett was holding the sniper rifle. And if Ward had simply let the dog go, why would he then sight it through a rifle scope after making that decision? The only way the scene makes sense is if he had a moment's hesitation, let the dog run, then changed his mind, obeyed Garrett, and killed the dog. The scene wouldn't have been structured in such a way as to show him deciding twice to let the dog live; that would be pointless. The only reason to show him sighting the dog with a rifle after letting him run was to show that he'd changed his mind. The writers gave us a moment of hope that Ward had mercy after all (and thus might spare Fitz/Simmons), and then dashed it away by showing that he did kill the dog (and did try to kill F/S).
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Old May 9 2014, 05:25 AM   #5434
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Great news about the show being renewed.
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Old May 9 2014, 06:36 AM   #5435
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Peggy is getting her own show? Why can't they pick a more interesting character, like Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, et al?
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Old May 9 2014, 07:48 AM   #5436
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There may have been a Moon Knight in the 50s, and there may have been an Iron Fist in the 50s who wasn't Danny Rand in city disjoint from time... Meanwhile it's iffy to wonder if Luke's Grandparents were alive in the 1950s?
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Old May 9 2014, 08:46 AM   #5437
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Yay and yay!

Although this means that of the two series, the one that will actually feature SHIELD as a going concern will be the one that doesn't have SHIELD in its title. (Well, okay, it's the SSR according to the press release, but it's the precursor of SHIELD.)
Is that a mistake because the one shot definitely mentioned SHIELD
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Old May 9 2014, 08:55 AM   #5438
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Peggy is getting her own show? Why can't they pick a more interesting character, like Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, et al?
Luke Cage was suppose to be getting a Netflix only series and I suspect Iron Fist would be joining him. Moon Knight is too much like Batman/Green Arrow (especially the CW's Arrow).

I think Agent Carter is a good idea for these reason

1. The general public is familar with Carter
2. Female superheroes need more coverage
3. It gives the writers the chance to write more mature/risque stories ala "Mad Men"
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Old May 9 2014, 09:52 AM   #5439
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Peggy is getting her own show? Why can't they pick a more interesting character, like Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, et al?
Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones and Daredevil are each getting mini series on Netflix, then they're going to come together for a Defenders mini series.
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Old May 9 2014, 09:55 AM   #5440
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I'm intrigued by the Agent Carter series, because it's a period piece. I'm interested in good characters and good writing, not "huge" storylines. A "huge" storyline has cut the quality of SHIELD in half.

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He'll will save the day in the finale when Garrett and Ward are about to kill Coulson and Buddy will come charging in and take them both down. Then he will join the team as a certified canine agent and good boy. He's a good boy! Yes he is!
That would be fantastic.
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Old May 9 2014, 10:02 AM   #5441
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2. Female superheroes need more coverage


Sue looks like a classy lady with more coverage.
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Old May 9 2014, 11:03 AM   #5442
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I'm intrigued by the Agent Carter series, because it's a period piece. I'm interested in good characters and good writing, not "huge" storylines. A "huge" storyline has cut the quality of SHIELD in half.
Wait, wait, hold up. You think AoS has gotten worse since Cap 2?!
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Old May 9 2014, 11:21 AM   #5443
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Huzzah! I don't see Agent Carter being that interesting though. Nothing truly huge can ever happen in it.
Well there might be an interesting story in

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Old May 9 2014, 11:33 AM   #5444
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I don't expect Hydra to feature heavily in Agent Carter. Remember everyone thought Cap finished it off with the death of the Red Skull, only to discover that in modern day it had survived by infiltrating SHIELD. If Carter discovers Hydra post-WW2 then SHIELD would know it didn't die with Skull. At most you might see something from a villain perspective that reveals that a plot Carter stopped was actually a Hydra plan, something revealed to the audience but not the show's stars.
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Old May 9 2014, 12:24 PM   #5445
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HYDRA as a secret organization (particularly one that infiltrated rival organizations) is a possibility.
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