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Old May 6 2014, 01:52 PM   #5326
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I don't see what the identity of the main character has to do with the quality of the storytelling.
Really? You don't see how exchanging the title character in a continuing series with his worst enemy could put some people off?

The quality of the storytelling isn't really the issue for me in this particular case, the identity of the main character IS. I've been reading about Peter Parker's life as Spider-Man for over 40 years. I like Pete, he kinda reminds me of me. I like Pete as Spidey, he makes me think any picked-on kid can end up a hero. That's what I buy Spider-Man to read about. Otto Octavius does NOT remind me of me - I have nothing in common with a rich, evil megalomaniac. They could have done the greatest "quality" story in Marvel history in this run (which they didn't), but since it wasn't Peter Parker being Spidey, I wouldn't have cared.
It was obviously a temporary story. Seeing the drama of the switch, if well-written, should overcome everything else. It's still in the same universe and relies on the past history that led to that point. Now whether it was good writing or not, I don't know, since I didn't read it. But it's not inherently bad.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:35 PM   #5327
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I'm going to be a few days behind on tonights episode!!!
The Ward backstory episode, is I'm hoping, full of insight that is meant to have us feel remorseful for that moment in the finale where he realizes the foolishness of having been loyal to Garrett. All he sacrificed for no reward, so he makes the ultimate sacrifice in an attempt at redemption to Team Coulson.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:41 PM   #5328
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Doc Ock's a Gary Stu and a rather vile person when you actually stop to think about some of the stuff he is doing (and that says something since he basically murdered Peter Parker and stole his life to start this thing)...
Uhh, yeah, of course he is. He's a supervillain -- what did you expect? The whole point of this storyline (so I gather, not having read it yet) is to examine what happens when a villain takes over Spider-Man's life. Of course Doc Ock is going to be a worse hero than Peter Parker -- that's the whole point. So that can't be called a failure of storytelling.

And I don't understand how a character who's been a major, ongoing antagonist in the series since the third issue of the comic could be considered a "Gary Stu." Ock is one of Spidey's greatest archvillains, arguably second only to the Green Goblin. He's always been something of a mirror image to Peter Parker, a scientific genius granted powers by a freak accident, but driven by overweening arrogance and resentment rather than humility and responsibility. You could say that he's a reflection of what Peter might have become if Uncle Ben hadn't died, if he hadn't learned the lesson about great power. So having him take over Spider-Man's life for a time (and of course it was always going to be a temporary arc) seems like a natural idea. Who better?


Spidey's supporting cast are on stupid pills, and Earth's Mightiest Heroes are all rather impotent. Also the storyline is slow as Christmas with characters sitting on their asses when you would think they would be doing something for long stretches of time when they aren't running around in circles just to make this thing last 31 issues.
I can't speak to those, not having read it yet. But I still can't believe anything could match Maximum Carnage or One More Day for sheer unreadability.
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Old May 6 2014, 04:22 PM   #5329
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I must have blanked Maximum Carnage out of my brain. I can't even remember it.
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Old May 6 2014, 04:53 PM   #5330
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Doc Ock's a Gary Stu and a rather vile person when you actually stop to think about some of the stuff he is doing (and that says something since he basically murdered Peter Parker and stole his life to start this thing)...
Uhh, yeah, of course he is. He's a supervillain -- what did you expect? The whole point of this storyline (so I gather, not having read it yet) is to examine what happens when a villain takes over Spider-Man's life. Of course Doc Ock is going to be a worse hero than Peter Parker -- that's the whole point. So that can't be called a failure of storytelling.
Actually I was thinking more of the ramifications of Otto Octavius having sex with someone while they think he's Peter Parker and whether or not that can be considered rape

And I don't understand how a character who's been a major, ongoing antagonist in the series since the third issue of the comic could be considered a "Gary Stu."
the fact that book seems to be saying that Otto is totally a better person than Peter Parker at times.

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Old May 6 2014, 05:09 PM   #5331
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the fact that book seems to be saying that Otto is totally a better person than Peter Parker at times.
A story tends to be influenced by the perspective of its main character. Still, I'd really have to read the storyline before I could comment any further.
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Old May 7 2014, 01:09 AM   #5332
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Alright, who else went squee?
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Old May 7 2014, 01:18 AM   #5333
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This is her second episode-- she previously directed "Eye-Spy".
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Old May 7 2014, 01:22 AM   #5334
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Speaking of people going "Squee!", Coulson just got as close as he ever gets about ten minutes ago! :-D
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Old May 7 2014, 01:46 AM   #5335
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What the hell are they singing in that Apple commercial?
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Old May 7 2014, 02:06 AM   #5336
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A pretty great episode. A full season in and the show is really picking up. The first 20 minutes was firing on all cylinders humor-wise. And yep, Ward will either die or rejoin the gang.

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Alright, who else went squee?
It's nice seeing her name pop up in various episodes of stuff. Same with Rob Duncan McNeill.

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Gigantic? I like the kid dressed up as a monster trampling that toy city.
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Old May 7 2014, 02:15 AM   #5337
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NO idea about that Apple commercial. I get the CTV ads.
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Old May 7 2014, 02:17 AM   #5338
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Really strong episode. A good mix of action, humor, and background on Ward. All of the characters fared much better here and had a number of good moments.

I know I've seen the actor who played Young Ward somewhere before. Young Ward looked and sounded a lot like Tom Brady when Brady had that Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer long hair a few years back.
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Old May 7 2014, 02:24 AM   #5339
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Old May 7 2014, 02:30 AM   #5340
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That's what it is...couldn't understand it.

Well, if Fitz or Simmons were inclined to defect, they kinda missed their chance.

Did anyone else find it really weird to see May flashing a big smile?
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