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Old April 15 2014, 08:43 PM   #4576
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Re: Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

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While I'm not denying that Centipede was a part of HYDRA all along, I have to wonder if the people involved with Centipede knew that. Remember that at first, Centipede's only contact with the "Clairvoyant", and presumably HYDRA, was Edison Po, a man in prison. Raina even had to go through Po to get further instructions.

It just seems like a lot of hoops to jump through if they already knew what was up.
That just seems like the normal kind of hierarchical structure you'd see in any large organization. The ordinary grunts answer to their boss who answers to a higher boss who answers to a higher boss, on up the ladder. It's the only way a large business or organization can function, by delegating authority and oversight. I mean, Coulson and May might report directly to Fury, but he doesn't have time to give orders to every individual junior agent and trainee. So, for instance, a rank-and-file clerk or security guard at the Academy might answer to a supervisor who answers to Agent Weaver, who answers in turn to, ohh, maybe Maria Hill or Victoria Hand, who answers to Fury, who answers to Pierce and the Council.

HYDRA, as its name and logo make clear, is all about branching out. It's not a single monolithic unit, but an ever-ramifying assortment of plots and cabals and mini-conspiracies. That's what makes it so useful as a recurring comic-book (or TV) antagonist -- however many HYDRA plans the heroes defeat, no matter how many HYDRA agents they bring to justice, there are always more waiting to be unearthed. The Centipede project -- which I suppose we should now call the Deathlok project -- was just one of their many operations. But that doesn't mean they didn't know they were working for HYDRA; it just meant they were working on their own specific project. I'm sure HYDRA compartmentalized information the same way SHIELD did, and Raina and Po surely didn't know everything that Garrett or Pierce knew about HYDRA, but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't know what organization they were working for.
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Old April 15 2014, 10:56 PM   #4577
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The producers keep saying that all season long they've been setting things up. Do y'all suppose that Franklin Hall and Donnie Gill could come back into play by the end of the season?
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Old April 15 2014, 11:16 PM   #4578
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^I assumed we'll see them in the second season.
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Old April 16 2014, 01:00 AM   #4579
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Think Han Solo turning out to be a Federation operative or Neo working for the machines. Or if we're talking second male leads, Trip Tucker workng for the Suliban, Giles (before season 4 of Buffy) working for the principal or for or Glory or The First Evil, or Angel working for someone evil (not Angelus, but Angel).


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Old April 16 2014, 01:08 AM   #4580
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First time I get to rewatch an episode knowing what's coming. Should be interesting.
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Old April 16 2014, 01:38 AM   #4581
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First time I've ever really looked at the term "ramify".
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Old April 16 2014, 02:00 AM   #4582
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Where'd the word "ramify" come up?

FWIW, I think my timeline holds up for the most part. The little inconsistencies are more easily explained thinking things resolved before Cap takes down the Helicarriers.
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Old April 16 2014, 02:09 AM   #4583
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IIRC, a barbershop was used as a SHIELD facility entrance in the classic comics.
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Old April 16 2014, 02:10 AM   #4584
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Blame/praise Christopher. He made me actually look at the verb's definition for the first time tonight with his description of HYDRA.

And now we have them stealing the old "barber shop" gag from Strange Tales.
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Old April 16 2014, 02:19 AM   #4585
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Stealing? Adapting. Paying homage.
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Old April 16 2014, 02:21 AM   #4586
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I love the idea of Talbot chasing Coulson around like he used to chase the Hulk.
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Old April 16 2014, 02:21 AM   #4587
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Betting that back in Peggy Carter's day, they actually had a base with a barber shop for a "front door"...
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Old April 16 2014, 02:34 AM   #4588
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So it looks like Agent Triplett is going to hang around for a while.

Gotta say, Ward and Garrett make a good team!
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Old April 16 2014, 02:35 AM   #4589
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John Garrett is the best.

"How did HYDRA know you were coming."
"We told them"
*Shots*
"A little warning next time?"
"Sorry, I couldn't resist. The one-liner was too good."
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Griffin reference!
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