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Old March 31 2014, 04:32 AM   #3976
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Deathlok looking like Deathlok.
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Old March 31 2014, 01:23 PM   #3977
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Nice, but too bad it's just an x-ray. That's just how Luthor was drawn in the 70s.
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Old March 31 2014, 01:39 PM   #3978
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Hopefully he get caught in an explosion and half of his face gets blown off as well as getting a little more burnt...

Out of context, that's sick, but you see where I'm going.
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Old March 31 2014, 02:10 PM   #3979
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I don't feel that characters in an adaptation need to look like their comics originals. I don't hear anyone clamoring to put Hawkeye in a weird purple butterfly mask or Electro in that stupid yellow star thingy. I don't find the Deathlok design in the comics all that appealing, and in retrospect it feels too similar to the Borg. I'm fine letting J. August Richards just keep looking like J. August Richards.
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Old March 31 2014, 02:22 PM   #3980
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I don't feel that characters in an adaptation need to look like their comics originals. I don't hear anyone clamoring to put Hawkeye in a weird purple butterfly mask or Electro in that stupid yellow star thingy. I don't find the Deathlok design in the comics all that appealing, and in retrospect it feels too similar to the Borg. I'm fine letting J. August Richards just keep looking like J. August Richards.
To be fair, Hawkeye and Electro movie versions at least follow their ultimate look. Deathlok only has his iconic look. Of course, with modernization styles change but Deathlok always had that definitive look.

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Old March 31 2014, 03:07 PM   #3981
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Even so, adaptations are not meant to be exact copies, they're opportunities to reinvent and reimagine. There's nothing wrong with a fresh approach.
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Old March 31 2014, 04:45 PM   #3982
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Even so, adaptations are not meant to be exact copies, they're opportunities to reinvent and reimagine. There's nothing wrong with a fresh approach.
Don't get me started on When fresh approaches go wrong.

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Old March 31 2014, 04:51 PM   #3983
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I don't feel that characters in an adaptation need to look like their comics originals. I don't hear anyone clamoring to put Hawkeye in a weird purple butterfly mask or Electro in that stupid yellow star thingy. I don't find the Deathlok design in the comics all that appealing, and in retrospect it feels too similar to the Borg. I'm fine letting J. August Richards just keep looking like J. August Richards.
Point taken, they don't have too.

That said, Deathlok was long prior to the Borg, and probably inspired that look.

More importantly, Deathlok came out during the 6 Million Dollar Man run, and was inspired by that show and the trendiness of cyborgs. Marvel took a gamble with Deathlok and put out a very dark book with an "anti-Steve Austin."

Steve Austin was a bright look at the idea of cyborgs. Maimed in a crash, he was saved, rebuilt, better stronger faster etc. It was a medical marvel and every kid watching could dream about being him and having those powers.

Deathlok was a horror story. Luthor was dead, but not allowed to die. Trapped in a hideous form, he wanted to die, but his 'Puter companion in his head wouldn't let him. The world was a horrifying dystopia, and a big part of Luthor's horror was that he couldn't escape it even by dying.

The series was groundbreaking for its time and for Marvel it was dramatic departure from what it was publishing as "hero" comics of the time. I found it far more serious than eve titles like Dracula, Werewolf by Night, and Man-Thing, which themselves stepped out of the super hero genre while staying within the Marvel universe.

The image of Deathlok in the SHIELD tv series is a tribute to that ground-breaking comics title. Nothing wrong with wishing they would go the full route, however I'm glad that horror of Mike Peterson's situation seems to showing in the show's plot.
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Old March 31 2014, 04:59 PM   #3984
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Don't get me started on When fresh approaches go wrong.
Sturgeon's Law, man. Ninety percent of everything is garbage, and that includes both fresh approaches and faithful approaches. The Affleck Daredevil was quite faithful to the source, and so was the Green Lantern movie. But the corollary is that the other ten percent of everything, in any category, is going to be good. The Singer X-Men films are a huge departure from the source and they're well-loved. The Bill Bixby Incredible Hulk was as far from its source as Kenneth Johnson could get away with making it, but it was so well-done that Hulk fans consider it a classic to this day. Whatever approach you take, it can be good or bad depending on how well you do it. Category does not determine quality.
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Old March 31 2014, 07:13 PM   #3985
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I don't feel that characters in an adaptation need to look like their comics originals. I don't hear anyone clamoring to put Hawkeye in a weird purple butterfly mask or Electro in that stupid yellow star thingy. I don't find the Deathlok design in the comics all that appealing, and in retrospect it feels too similar to the Borg. I'm fine letting J. August Richards just keep looking like J. August Richards.
To be fair, Hawkeye and Electro movie versions at least follow their ultimate look. Deathlok only has his iconic look. Of course, with modernization styles change but Deathlok always had that definitive look.

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Well, were the "ultimate" looks not themselves an adaptation/re-invention of an already existing idea? It's the same principle, the medium in which it takes place is hardly relevant.
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Old March 31 2014, 07:19 PM   #3986
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There's nothing wrong with a fresh approach.
That depends entirely on the approach in question.
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Old March 31 2014, 07:33 PM   #3987
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There's nothing wrong with a fresh approach.
That depends entirely on the approach in question.
There's nothing inherently wrong with a fresh approach.
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Old March 31 2014, 07:56 PM   #3988
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If Skye was part Kree or something (her 0-8-4 status is still officially unexplained), then do y'all suppose that A. her Kree genetics aren't sufficient to give her superhuman abilities and are therefore pointless B. she does in fact have superhuman abilities and can be the team's muscle or C. something else? It occurred to me that if Skye does indeed have superhuman abilities, then what would be the point of "Agents" of S.H.I.E.L.D.? Cause this isn't Avengers.
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Old March 31 2014, 08:51 PM   #3989
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That depends entirely on the approach in question.
Which is exactly the point. It's about the individual case, not the category. If an approach fails, it's not because it wasn't faithful, it's because it wasn't good.
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Ms. Marvel.

Although that was mostly about Mar-Vell's negabands and not his "original" biology.
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