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Old March 29 2014, 12:43 PM   #3946
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Re: Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

I don't know that I'd call Blackout "lower-rung"...and he was a part of Helmut Zemo's first attempt at building his own version of the Masters of Evil. Stern/Buscema/Palmer-era. Got as close to complete victory over the Avengers of the day as anyone ever could, and Hercules and Jarvis in particular were quite a while recovering from that experience.
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Old March 29 2014, 12:46 PM   #3947
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Comics are like mountains.

You just have to know that you've been there, and leave it at that.
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Old March 29 2014, 12:55 PM   #3948
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I don't know that I'd call Blackout "lower-rung"...and he was a part of Helmut Zemo's first attempt at building his own version of the Masters of Evil. Stern/Buscema/Palmer-era. Got as close to complete victory over the Avengers of the day as anyone ever could, and Hercules and Jarvis in particular were quite a while recovering from that experience.
November 1986

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Old March 29 2014, 01:16 PM   #3949
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Guys, it's all nerd stuff. Anything outside of the big characters is "lower rung" to the not we.
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Old March 29 2014, 04:02 PM   #3950
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So...28 years ago they brought him back as a minion in a villain team? That's the definition of lower-rung.
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Old March 29 2014, 04:13 PM   #3951
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Seems like tragic under use of a a good villain name.
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Old March 29 2014, 04:15 PM   #3952
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He was running with the Hood a couple years ago when Norman Osborn was leading the Avengers.

So, he's been mischievous to a degree since then.
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Old March 29 2014, 04:17 PM   #3953
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So what if he's lower-rung? Why should we care about that? As already mentioned, Mr. Freeze was a bottom-of-the-barrel character before Batman:TAS reinvented him. And hell, Coulson wasn't even in the comics, and look what happened with him.

The whole point of an adaptation is that it's not limited to being the same as the source material, that it's a fresh chance to do things in a new and different way, and that includes developing formerly untapped potential or seizing missed opportunities. Often the obscure characters in the original are the best choices to focus on in a new adaptation, because there's so little baggage and so much freedom to take the basic concept in a whole new direction.
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Old March 29 2014, 05:13 PM   #3954
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It looks like it's not the same character, just the re-use of the name. But I wonder how many of us remember the original run of Nova from the 70s.
I do, but I'm trying to forget. Never connected to the character. Too many better books and characters out there.
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Old March 29 2014, 05:14 PM   #3955
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Yeah, to my way of thinking an obscure character in this instance can have a hell of a lot more potential than a relatively well known or established character, because you have much more leeway for a re-invention.
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Old March 29 2014, 10:49 PM   #3956
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What if in the season finale Iron Man or some other Avenger shows up at the last second to save the whole team? Would you guys like an appearance(s) by actual Avengers or would you guys generally consider it a bad deus ex machina?
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Old March 29 2014, 10:55 PM   #3957
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^Definitely the latter--It would be very poor form to have an outsider come in and save the heroes of the show. If they had to help one of the Avengers...that would be another story.
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Old March 29 2014, 11:05 PM   #3958
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Iron Man would be a totally easy way to cheat a guest-star. Just use his CGI model. You don't even need Downey's voice. It's just a robot suit you don't have to animate muscles or expressions.
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If they had Hawkeye on the show though, then he could get more screentime and development in the long wait before Avengers: Age of Ultron.
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Old March 30 2014, 12:53 AM   #3960
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What if in the season finale Iron Man or some other Avenger shows up at the last second to save the whole team? Would you guys like an appearance(s) by actual Avengers or would you guys generally consider it a bad deus ex machina?
I hope not, this isn't Avengers, it's Agents of Shield. If anything, I hope Nick Fury, Black Widow, or some other Shield Agent appears.
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