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Old March 18 2014, 01:55 AM   #3736
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That piece totally misrepresented/misunderstood why May was unhappy with Ward. May wasn't unhappy with Ward because Lorelei had raped him. May was unhappy with Ward because he conceded that he'd just "settled" for May.
May isn't mentioned in that article.
Yeah, she is. Misspelled as "Mae" and also mentioned as Ward's "lover". As I said, May even asked Ward if Lorelei was right about Ward's feelings or lack thereof, and Ward conceded that it was true. The piece is also wrong that May just took Lorelei at her word, at least once she got over being mad at him.
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Old March 18 2014, 02:19 AM   #3737
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That piece totally misrepresented/misunderstood why May was unhappy with Ward. May wasn't unhappy with Ward because Lorelei had raped him. May was unhappy with Ward because he conceded that he'd just "settled" for May.
May isn't mentioned in that article.
Yeah, she is. Misspelled as "Mae" and also mentioned as Ward's "lover". As I said, May even asked Ward if Lorelei was right about Ward's feelings or lack thereof, and Ward conceded that it was true. The piece is also wrong that May just took Lorelei at her word, at least once she got over being mad at him.
Sorry, yes, I was looking for "May."

I don't see that this refutes the article's main point. Ward was sexually assaulted. May responds to the situation by punching him. She has her own issues, it doesn't change Ward's situation. If it were Skye, or say Carol Danvers who was controlled and raped, is that ok?

Does this reveal that May had stronger feelings than she was willing to admit, or that she was pissed that she was being "used" so that Ward could "forget" whomever it was he was really in love with (Skye? Fitz? Simmons?) May wasn't as detached as she lets on.
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Old March 18 2014, 02:25 AM   #3738
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Again, the situation was not simply that Ward was sexually assaulted. He was sexually assaulted, and he admitted that he had settled for May. Later, when he was no longer under Lorelei's spell, he confirmed that he had spoken the truth.
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Old March 18 2014, 02:44 AM   #3739
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I get there's an arguable double standard and what is technically rape is kind of being played for laughs. At the same time, we're talking about the equivalent of magic love potions, so it's really not worth taking too seriously by examining it in the context of real world sexual assaults.
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Old March 18 2014, 02:52 AM   #3740
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I don't think that argument's going to fly like it used to. And maybe it shouldn't.
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Old March 18 2014, 03:02 AM   #3741
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This thread has changed my opinion a bit for the last episode. I still rank it as one of the good ones but punching Ward for settling for her after he was mind controlled does sound a little petty for May.
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Old March 18 2014, 04:38 AM   #3742
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Old March 18 2014, 09:43 AM   #3743
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While I agree that there's a double standard about rape and that May didn't come off very sympathetically in this episode, it might be wrong about the issue being addressed. I seem to remember somebody stating that being controlled would be something that's hard for Ward to deal with-- but I'm not sure if a character said it or if I read it on the Internet afterward.

As far as the rape goes, it's definitely true, but Ward is this show's James Bond analog. He's no doubt had sex with many women in the line of duty and it's not like he was tied up and beaten; this would be something he's very familiar with, so it wouldn't be such a big deal.
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Old March 18 2014, 02:27 PM   #3744
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^It really should be though, don't you think?

May is at least as tough as Ward (probably more) and if a male character like, say Loki had done to May what was done to Ward then there'd be no hesitation in calling it what it is.
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Old March 18 2014, 02:45 PM   #3745
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Plus, regardless of how much someone has sex (James Bond or not), it doesn't mean it's okay to rape them.
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Old March 18 2014, 03:32 PM   #3746
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Raping his mind is massive, and raping his penis is tiny.

She made him almost kill people he loves like family, so how is making him enjoy being raped even close to that on the violation spectrum?
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Old March 18 2014, 05:25 PM   #3747
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^With that in mind, I think that Rooster bloke came off worse. He may have been an arsehole, but she made him actually strangle his own wife to death because she was being loud. That guy isn't getting out of the mental ward any time soon. Indeed, just look what a similar experience did to Selvig.
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Old March 18 2014, 05:49 PM   #3748
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^With that in mind, I think that Rooster bloke came off worse. He may have been an arsehole, but she made him actually strangle his own wife to death because she was being loud. That guy isn't getting out of the mental ward any time soon. Indeed, just look what a similar experience did to Selvig.
Yea, is fate is pretty bad. I felt bad for Mr. Newlywed as well. His marriage is over. How does he convince his new wife he was mind controlled when he ran off with the hottie the day after his wedding?
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Old March 18 2014, 08:40 PM   #3749
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^ He doesn't. There is no way he survived being bitch-slapped by Lorelei.
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Old March 18 2014, 10:06 PM   #3750
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She did say it was the end.
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