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Old March 14 2014, 11:57 PM   #3661
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Well, Skye was tied to a bed.
If that were the literal truth, my appreciation for the character might go up a couple notches.
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Old March 14 2014, 11:59 PM   #3662
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You haven't watched 24 have you?
Saw the first three episodes, quickly got tired of it.
Blasphemy!
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Old March 15 2014, 12:27 AM   #3663
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After watching this episode I would love to see Jaimie Alexander play Savik in the new Star Trek if they ever decide to add that character.
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Old March 15 2014, 12:32 AM   #3664
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I could see that.

So wooden.
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Old March 15 2014, 01:33 AM   #3665
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I could see that.

So wooden.
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Old March 15 2014, 01:34 AM   #3666
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So wooden.
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Old March 15 2014, 01:34 AM   #3667
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What if in the season finale they reveal the Leader has Ruffalo captive in his secret lair and they have to rescue him to unleash the Hulk, who of course does his rampage entirely off screen?
That would be an extraordinary copout. I'm not even opposed to having Bruce Banner without the Hulk. But having the Hulk offscreen is a dumb idea and contrary to their stated rule of not doing "oh you just missed Iron Man!" (although, to be fair, they've cheated slightly by having conversations with Fury described offscreen, but that's nowhere near on the same scale).

I also have no problem with investigating the aftermath of a rampage or something like that.* Basically, my objection is building to the moment of Hulk and then not showing the Hulk.

* My idea for an episode (or Hulk movie, really) is Fugitive-inspired. Basically, there was massive destruction blamed on the Hulk. Agent Clay Quartermain is assigned to a Hulk taskforce to track him down. At the same time, Bruce Banner is trying to hide from them, establish his innocence, and stay calm. In the end, they realize it's not the Hulk to blame and SHIELD and the Hulk save the day.
I think that any reference to the Hulk raging uncontrollably would undermine the character arc from the Avengers. The end of the Avengers established that Banner could now control the Hulk.

His comment "I'm always angry" just before turning demonstrated that Banner was now in control.

Any portrayal of the Hulk from here on out would need to acknowledge that.
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Old March 15 2014, 01:39 AM   #3668
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^I think it depends on the circumstances of the Hulk-out. He had two Hulk-outs in Avengers-- One where he lost control and Hulked-out unwillingly, almost killing Black Widow and fighting Thor. The second one, where Banner willingly unleashed the Hulk, is when he seemed to have control.

The same thing applies to the third Hulk-out in the TIH movie.
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Old March 15 2014, 01:40 AM   #3669
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He's in charge of the Hulk when he chooses to turn into it, when he's injured or otherwise thrown into the transformation against his will, the rage takes over and 'the beast' is just that.

It's not quite so simple as him always controlling it, and it really depends what level of control he has at all even in that state.

I mean remember Cap even just makes it simple, "smash" and aims him at the enemy.
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Old March 15 2014, 01:57 AM   #3670
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To use the terminology from TIH, I don't think Banner "controls" the Hulk so much as he "aims" him.
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Old March 15 2014, 02:01 AM   #3671
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Basically. Which is all well and good when he's aimed the right way and there aren't too many people/buildings in the way.
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Old March 15 2014, 02:33 AM   #3672
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I guess it's that Banner controls when he Hulks out but not so much what the Hulk does afterward, aside from being "aimed" in the right direction.

The "aim" thing reminds me of the Lou Ferrigno Hulk in the TV series. Banner didn't have any conscious control of the change and tried not to let it happen, but the Hulk always reflected Banner's emotions -- attacking the people/things that had threatened him as Banner and protecting the people Banner wanted to protect. And he retained Banner's unwillingness to kill.
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Old March 15 2014, 02:35 AM   #3673
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I like that the Hulk saved Iron Man.
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Old March 15 2014, 09:15 AM   #3674
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... One where he lost control and Hulked-out unwillingly, almost killing Black Widow and fighting Thor....
To be fair, that was Loki's fault. We clearly see Loki playing with his mind the first time they see each other on the Hellicarrier.
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Old March 15 2014, 09:26 AM   #3675
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I guess it's that Banner controls when he Hulks out but not so much what the Hulk does afterward, aside from being "aimed" in the right direction.

The "aim" thing reminds me of the Lou Ferrigno Hulk in the TV series. Banner didn't have any conscious control of the change and tried not to let it happen, but the Hulk always reflected Banner's emotions -- attacking the people/things that had threatened him as Banner and protecting the people Banner wanted to protect. And he retained Banner's unwillingness to kill.
Meanwhile Ultimate Hulk tired to eat Freddie Prinze Junior.

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