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Old March 14 2014, 05:15 PM   #3646
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Actually I wondered about that -- why was Sif only approximately aware of Lorelei's last known location? Why didn't Heimdall send her right to Lorelei?
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Old March 14 2014, 05:15 PM   #3647
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Heimdall is meant to have been born with the All Sight, something one in a generation or more are born with.
Is that from the comics? I don't think it's ever addressed in the films. I just assumed it was an ability endowed to whomever is appointed Asgard's gatekeeper, the same way Thor's powers are linked to the hammer.

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Actually I wondered about that -- why was Sif only approximately aware of Lorelei's last known location? Why didn't Heimdall send her right to Lorelei?
Loki was able to move without Heimdall seeing. I presume Lorelei has similar skills. Or maybe it's just a side effect of using Loki's hidden ways that the traveller(s) are shrouded somehow?
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Old March 14 2014, 05:18 PM   #3648
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Heimdall is meant to have been born with the All Sight, something one in a generation or more are born with.
Is that from the comics? I don't think it's ever addressed in the films. I just assumed it was an ability endowed to whomever is appointed Asgard's gatekeeper, the same way Thor's powers are linked to the hammer.
Maybe it is, what I meant was he seems somewhat unique and that its a natural ability. Sort of the other way around, appointed gatekeeper because of the Sight.
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Old March 14 2014, 06:02 PM   #3649
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Actually I wondered about that -- why was Sif only approximately aware of Lorelei's last known location? Why didn't Heimdall send her right to Lorelei?
There are probably ways to hide yourself from the all sight. I'm sure Odin likes his maritals to be unseen by peeping Heimdall.


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Old March 14 2014, 06:02 PM   #3650
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Sif was set down at SHIELD's precise location, I assumed because Lorelei already had a mini-army, and Sif could not take her alone.

Edit - Oh no, I forgot. Sif said that the Bifrost beamed Sif to her last known location, so that's not right.

But isn't it weird that she arrived right when SHIELD did? But for Sif's line about last known location, it would almost seem that linking up with SHIELD was the intent.
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Old March 14 2014, 07:17 PM   #3651
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Her last known location was....the middle of the road, in the middle of nowhere?
We could presume that was a point where her and the Wedding Man past I suppose but why would she "vanish" from that point? How/Why would tracking lose her...some shielding via magic she initiated perhaps?
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Old March 14 2014, 07:31 PM   #3652
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Heimdall doesn't see all. He just sees a lot. For example, he lost Jane Foster when she went to the location of the aether. He also didn't see the dark elf airships until it was too late, and even then he only sensed one before the mothership decloaked and rose over the horizon.

Additionally, in the comics, it's well-established that there are magical spells that can block his senses.
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Old March 14 2014, 09:08 PM   #3653
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I agree with others who found Jamie Alexander's(?) performance as Sif to be filled ith charisma and presence. She made the character's stilted speech and haughty attitude seem perfectly natural and not at all phony or ridiculous. I was kind of blown away by the performance, actually.
I felt the opposite. Her performance did seem a bit too stilted. For me, everything you said describes Elena Satine as Lorelei though.
I feel the same as AR07, and am honestly really surprised that anyone was raving over Sif in this episode. I didn't think Sif displayed much personality whatsoever, other than having a stick up her ass. Her formal manner of speaking didn't seem at natural to me (Hemsworth pulls it off, IMO, Alexander does not). Lorelei was great, though, and I actually felt a lot of sympathy for her by the end of the episode, despite the fact that she's clearly on the wicked side.
I think the personality that Sif was supposed to be displaying was that of a "warrior goddess", as accustomed to deference from those of "lesser status", as she was with battle, and this is what I think the actor did a great job of exhibiting. Not only that, a big part of Alexander's role was the physical stuff and she also nailed that (well the stuff that she wasn't doubled for). Her character was, to say the least, dynamic.

Though I liked Satine's performance of Lorelei, it just seemed like a performance I had seen many many times before, the "fem fatale", slaying vulnerable men with her "feminine wiles" (well, in this case, her Asgardian feminine wiles). She did handle the Asgardian-speak well, but her performance just didn't get my attention the way Alexander's did.

I wasn't aware that Alexander had been considered for Wonder Woman, who I never had much interest in. But if I knew Alexander was playing that role, and after having seen the Thor movies and especially this AoS episode, I would likely go see the movie opening week-end.
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Old March 14 2014, 09:11 PM   #3654
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IIRC in the movie version I think he lost the eye in the final battle on Jotenheim.
This is correct.
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Old March 14 2014, 09:25 PM   #3655
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^But in Thor's first movie, didn't Odin cry in the Odin-sleep thing when Thor got hurt? He has some sort of extrasensory perception.
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Old March 14 2014, 09:31 PM   #3656
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Oh, I'm not saying that Odin doesn't have sight greater than most. Laufey even commented on how he could see and hear everything around him while in the Odin-sleep.

However, we saw him lose the eye in the first scene.

See at 1:38 and note that he starts the battle with two eyes and ends it with one.

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Old March 14 2014, 09:34 PM   #3657
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Odin sacrificed one of his eyes (to appease a higher power) for omniscience, or so legend says.

What I meant earlier is that Heimdall might have gone through a process/upgrade/training which any Asgardian could go through/endure if they chose to... But most don't.
Actually we see in the flashback at the start of Thor 1 that he simply loses his eye battling the Frost Giants on Earth. One sets off a blast of ice, a shard tears through his eye, he battles on with the wound.

Heimdall is meant to have been born with the All Sight, something one in a generation or more are born with.
How many generations in a god's life times, and how many generations in an immortal life time?

I take it a gods "generation" is not ten years thereabouts, like a mortals generation is?

Meanwhile what's the Asgardian birthrate like? Are they particularity fertile, do they have a voracious sex urge (compared to mortals) and how long is a babies gestation period?

If it takes 2000 years to grow a baby inside a goddesses' womb, and then 5000 years to raise the child to the point that they can leave home as young adults comparable to teran teenagers, I can imagine most goddesses having gone through a LOT of home remedy abortions by the time they turn 10 thousand years old.
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Old March 14 2014, 09:49 PM   #3658
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^Who knows, maybe a 10 year old Asgardian has the intelligence of a grown human male.
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Loki reveals in Thor 2 they live 5000 years normally, Odin has artificially extended his life with the Odin sleep.

Thor is hinted to be around the 1300 year mark, they seem to grow exactly like humans until they reach around their 30's then age much much more slowly to us.
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Old March 14 2014, 10:37 PM   #3660
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I really don't like that human sized immaturity before their godhood really kicks in.

But then you have to ask if they are naturally immortal, or do not become immortal until they eat those golden apples and only stay immortal as long as they are still eating those golden apples, because of conflicting origins.

If Asgardian immortality doesn't start till they turn 25, then surely neither should any of their other powers, but then it's a question of if Asgardians evolved this way, or at a point where they were obviously super scientific that they genetically modified themselves to be immortal and survive immortality (this includes making a class system where the proletariat is stupider than the royals so that they wouldn't go insane, wile being happier with less to almost nothing since they all seem to be living like it's the 12th century despite being one degree of separation from having Star Trek shit to play with.)
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