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Old March 12 2014, 07:00 AM   #3556
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Ward got Lorelayed. Pretty decent episode, had entertaining Asgard shenanigans yet moved the overall storyline along.

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The ad for Assembling A Universe, in case anyone missed it. It includes a few upcoming Agents Of Shield scenes:

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Mixed feelings, I want to see that special but it means we won't get a new episode.
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Old March 12 2014, 12:38 PM   #3557
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Everyone is quick to cut her short. May generally has an ulterior motive in play. I think she was talking to Fury in Coulson's best interest.
Well, I think she's talking to Fury, but I think it's more for SHIELD's best interest than Coulson's best interest. I'm not sure there's inherently anything wrong with that - they all work for an organization that's bigger than just this team.

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Regarding sending the male agents in, I think the idea was supposed to be that Sif would deal with Lorelei while Ward and Coulson took out her minions, but, yeah, probably would've been better to send in May instead of Ward from the start.
Was Ward "sent in"? It looked more like he covered one of the exits and dealt with minions. Presumably, May was covering some other location. They probably should have used overwhelming force entirely of female agents, but, given the team they had, they didn't have enough female combat-ready agents to otherwise effectively deal with everything.
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Old March 12 2014, 01:50 PM   #3558
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IDidn't Sif say her voice casts a spells? Maybe he was under a spell the second she spoke. Plus, if Ward took Lorelei as being similar to Loki, shooting her and failing may have resulted in him getting stabbed like Coulson. I think he was using himself as bait, non-threatening, for Sif to finish her off. .
Lorelei very clearly didn't speak at first, the director was obviously building tension there. Ward actually had plenty of time to turn around and run, and I seriously wondered if he wasn't staying on purpose, thinking he would be able to resist.

Meanwhile, exactly why not shoot? Why not shoot 8 or 10 times if she is a tough Asgardian? He has nothing to gain by not shooting, and nothing to gain by not calling out for Sif.

I would have found it more believable if he'd shot and the gun did nothing. Fine. I would have found it more believable if he'd dropped the gun and put his hands up. Just pointing and saying "OK, turn around and get on your knees" (which is what actually happened) was ridiculous, because it indicates that Ward actually believed his gun was a threat to her, but he didn't use it.

Again, I felt during that scene that Ward wanted her to use her powers on him, (Asgardian berserker feelings maybe?)

If the Bus could get there in x amount of time, then at least a couple of female SHIELD agents could have gotten their. They are masters of logistics, after all. Form a double ring with female agents in the centre and males with rifles on the outside, wearing head phones.

But of course there needed to be a plot.
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Old March 12 2014, 02:14 PM   #3559
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I enjoyed the episode. I liked the mention of all the blue-skinned aliens (hiding Kree in plain sight?) and it was cool to see Sif. I thought there were a lot of humorous moments in the episode and the twist at the end was cool.

There were a couple of things that bugged me though, one was Ward not shooting Lorelei when he had the chance. The other was that 'all men have an inherent weakness'.
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Old March 12 2014, 02:24 PM   #3560
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Old March 12 2014, 02:27 PM   #3561
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IDidn't Sif say her voice casts a spells? Maybe he was under a spell the second she spoke. Plus, if Ward took Lorelei as being similar to Loki, shooting her and failing may have resulted in him getting stabbed like Coulson. I think he was using himself as bait, non-threatening, for Sif to finish her off. .
... Why not shoot 8 or 10 times if she is a tough Asgardian? He has nothing to gain by not shooting, and nothing to gain by not calling out for Sif...
You don't see anything wrong with aggravating a god?
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Old March 12 2014, 02:54 PM   #3562
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Ask her what she needs with a Star Ship, and see what happens?
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Old March 12 2014, 03:06 PM   #3563
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You don't see anything wrong with aggravating a god?
He wasn't doing that by telling her to get on her knees? The more I think about it, more it feels like he was trying to provoke her.
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Old March 12 2014, 03:46 PM   #3564
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You don't see anything wrong with aggravating a god?
He wasn't doing that by telling her to get on her knees? The more I think about it, more it feels like he was trying to provoke her.
With knowledge of how Thor and Elliot Randolph reacts to threats and incarceration, I figured his commands was just to buy time, nothing serious.
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Old March 12 2014, 04:50 PM   #3565
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Finally. F I N A L L Y. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has an episode where I have zero complaints. This is how the show should have started. It had great character interactions, a great story, some shady goings ons, non-forced Avenger name drops, relevant info dumb pertaining to the Marvel Universe, and for the first time excellent music. And apparently that armored room on the airbus is made of vibranium; hence, why Sif couldn't escape from there. Keep it up!
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Old March 12 2014, 05:28 PM   #3566
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Solid episode last night. Would have to go with an A- score.

I'm of two minds about sending Ward in to confront her knowing what they knew after Sif's debrief.

A) He's a main lead, he kinda has to be there
B) His back up team was all female it appeared (good)
C) What's his gun, Night-Night or other going to do, bullets bounce off Asgardians anyway. Would tasers have worked? I keep thinking Darcy's only worked in Thor 1 cause Odin had stripped Thor down of his godliness. Loreli appeared to be at fully Asagardian strength.

For about 5 min or so I kept thinking that there might be a reveal at some point near the end where Ward was given some kind of "false skin" or barrier to her touch to be shown during the climax of the episode, on that note.....then there was the sex scene and that idea went right out the window.

Jaime Alexander you are great as Sif, I'm continually pleased at Marvel casting decisions and yet like others I was still going,"what a great Diana Prince you'd be". Hoping that when the Cap Winter soldier DVD comes out in 7 months the Marvel Short we get is a Lady Sif one.

I'm thinking they can go a couple ways with that last scene of May and the update call. We know May is the one with the most knowledge about Phil, even given what the whole team now knows. So, is she there in part to make sure/monitor him post-treatment or is she part of a larger "bad guy" contingency within SHIELD? If the latter I refuse to think of Fury as the cut & dry bad guy but could see Victoria Hand being used as an out for such a story point.
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Old March 12 2014, 05:34 PM   #3567
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This is how the show should have started.
Except it couldn't have been, since it depended on what's been established in the past to give weight to its character beats. It's like Whedon and Tancharoen said in that interview linked earlier: most shows get better over time because they need to lay the groundwork first before they can begin giving us the real payoffs. Which is why I try to be patient with new shows and give them time to find their footing.
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Old March 12 2014, 06:43 PM   #3568
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C) What's his gun, Night-Night or other going to do, bullets bounce off Asgardians anyway. Would tasers have worked? I keep thinking Darcy's only worked in Thor 1 cause Odin had stripped Thor down of his godliness. Loreli appeared to be at fully Asagardian strength. .
A single shot took down Peterson in Episode 1-1. There would be plenty of reason to believe that the 10 or 12 shots in his clip would have taken down Lorelei, or slowed her long enough for Sif to step in. Even if it didn't work, why not take the shot? Why did he bother pointing it at her? Why did he expect her to turn around and get on her knees?

I'm going to stop beating this horse, but it just was weird.
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Old March 12 2014, 06:52 PM   #3569
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Again, I felt during that scene that Ward wanted her to use her powers on him, (Asgardian berserker feelings maybe?)
Anyone else notice an odd look in Fitz's eyes when he heard about Lorelei? Almost like he wanted to be taken over too.
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Old March 12 2014, 08:56 PM   #3570
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