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Old March 5 2014, 03:54 AM   #3196
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Re: Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

Episode on the DVR, actually so is the last episode. I need to watch them. Though I may be losing interest in the series.

Anyway, on the topic of episode titles. It's not too uncommon for TV shows to sometimes have a "gimmick" when it comes to the naming conventions of the series. (Though I've seen this more with sit-coms than hour-long drama/action series.) The thing is it's better as a gimmick if you always do it. SHIELD has had a variety of episode titles without a "gimmicK" other than the couple of times we've had these forced acronyms. So, SHIELD, either do it or don't!
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Old March 5 2014, 03:57 AM   #3197
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SHIELD has had a variety of episode titles without a "gimmicK" other than the couple of times we've had these forced acronyms. So, SHIELD, either do it or don't!
Yeah but in this case, it was actually from the episode.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:01 AM   #3198
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So did Coulson and his team kill two SHIELD operatives to save their little snowflake? Because that's kind of what it looked like.
Not SHIELD operatives. They did kill them, but they also gave lots of chances to avoid the situation. It might be a small difference, but it is a difference.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:10 AM   #3199
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^^^Under what bizzaro legal system does that make sense?

...Oh yeah, Marvel's.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:14 AM   #3200
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Not SHIELD operatives. They did kill them, but they also gave lots of chances to avoid the situation. It might be a small difference, but it is a difference.
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^^^Under what bizzaro legal system does that make sense?

...Oh yeah, Marvel's.
Let's not lose track of exactly what happened here. Coulson and team did not shoot their way in. They entered seeking help and encountered hostile fire.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:22 AM   #3201
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They did, actually.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:33 AM   #3202
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Let's not lose track of exactly what happened here. Coulson and team did not shoot their way in. They entered seeking help and encountered hostile fire.
They broke into someone else's property while heavily armed.
Shooting cameras and hacking security. At what point do you go by there words over their actions?

So, Now we know what happened to Dr. Manhattan after Watchmen.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:36 AM   #3203
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They didn't shoot their way in. They broke in, they got shot at, and they returned fire.

I'll leave aside that SHIELD operates above legal systems. My only point is it's not analogous to taking a life to save a life (of the non-attacker, so not self-defense), it's analogous to stealing medicine to save a life. The fact that someone died is collateral to the equation.

It was certainly meant to be morally ambiguous. The whole project is filled with that. There's a good argument that, morally, both Skye and Coulson should be dead and those two random dudes should be alive.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:39 AM   #3204
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So, anyone have anything good for G.H. yet? It's not Gabe Haller. And it's definitely not Glob Herman.
Geheneris Halasan? Aka Captain Mahr Vehll. Aren't the Kree going to be making an appearance in Guardians of the Galaxy, too?
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Old March 5 2014, 04:47 AM   #3205
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I wonder if this would be useful: Marvel characters with blue skin

The internet is a strange, strange place.
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Old March 5 2014, 04:52 AM   #3206
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They didn't shoot their way in. They broke in, they got shot at, and they returned fire.
Though they did fire the first shot when they destroyed the camera.
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Old March 5 2014, 05:05 AM   #3207
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The Guest House clearly wasn't designed to keep agents of SHIELD's caliber out. There were too many opportunities for kill zones that were simply absent from the installation. Given that and given the minimal number of guards, it was essentially designed to be assaulted. If the writers did this intentionally, then it's unlikely that the G.H. organism is lost. I'd expect that the demolition simply dropped it into a place from which it can be (relatively) easily extracted, by those who know the entry point.

While the mortally wounded guard who made it out of the room wasn't willing to negotiate up front, he was willing to implicitly beg for his life, when he knew he was certainly finished otherwise, by quite probably breaking orders to tell them about the timer. Or, maybe he realized he'd been set up to fail and had a change of heart. Either way, his betrayal of his assignment came too late to save himself.

In any case, the guards had fair warning that they were, for all they knew, really interfering with a good cause, and they had no qualms about that. They weren't selected to do the right thing, only to be too stupid to know that their mission by following orders was to die. Whether their orders covered the specific scenario of arrivals without the countersign identifying themselves as SHIELD agents or not, as soldiers who themselves took up arms and showed no mercy, they had no right to complain just because they got none in return. In fact, what they both got was exclusively among the things they'd signed up for.
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Old March 5 2014, 05:15 AM   #3208
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They didn't shoot their way in. They broke in, they got shot at, and they returned fire.
Though they did fire the first shot when they destroyed the camera.
But that's hardly the same thing. It's property damage. I don't think even the people defending the compound thought the camera destruction was a critical issue. It was failure to know the counter-signal that mattered.
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Old March 5 2014, 05:18 AM   #3209
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The episode was okay though not worth the wait IMO. We seek answers and they give us more questions. Anyone else get a Guardians of the Galaxy vibe from Mr. G.H.?

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What are the odds Agent Tripplett is getting instructions in his eye?
I have a feeling John Garrett has the eye device. True, they stormed the building but Garrett gave the order for Ward to shoot and played with Coulson's emotions to do everything for Skye. The biggest giveaway was after Coulson broke orders and Shield sent Garrett to take command, he still went with Coulson's plan.

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Old March 5 2014, 05:19 AM   #3210
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So, I guess T.A.H.i.T.I. is no longer a magical place.
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