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Old December 13 2013, 06:50 PM   #2236
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Re: Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

As I think about this episode a little more several other questions comes to mind. Just who was Ward going to shoot from his poorly chosen position? Was he just there to watch? Was he going to blast one of the bad guys if they did not deliver the kid? Was he supposed to take out the tire on the car as they started to drive away? Was he just there for backup in case they needed him? Why did the entire SHIELD team go to the meeting? You needed Coulson and Mike and maybe Ward but everyone else should have been safely some place else, not where they could all have been easily killed by oh say a rocket launcher.
I also have to agree with Gaith, heros are defined by the villians they fight and so far the SHIELD team is not exactly taking on even C-list baddies. Now its only half a season so I am willing to be patient until this time next season for things to ramp up.
Finally a guy I work with who is a huge Marvel guy pointed out that if this show did not have Marvel in front of it, it would have already been cancelled. Cant say I found many arguements with that statement.
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Old December 13 2013, 07:00 PM   #2237
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Was he just there for backup in case they needed him?
That seems most likely. That's often the purpose of a sniper in a show like Flashpoint, say -- as the last resort, the person who's in place to protect the team (or bystanders) if things go wrong.


Finally a guy I work with who is a huge Marvel guy pointed out that if this show did not have Marvel in front of it, it would have already been cancelled. Cant say I found many arguements with that statement.
Wasn't there a post recently linking to an article that compared its ratings to other shows and demonstrated that it was actually outperforming other new scripted dramas? I think the perception that it's struggling in the ratings is a myth. It's not the huge success everyone was expecting from the hype, but it's far from a failure in terms of how it stacks up against other actual shows.
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Old December 13 2013, 07:02 PM   #2238
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Any chance some of the tracking scent rubbed off on lady in the flower dress when he grabbed her by the neck?

(sorry, can't be bothered to remember their names)
Just for ease of conversation, the woman in the flower dress is "Raina."
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Old December 13 2013, 07:28 PM   #2239
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Also, in addition to the US ratings, we've discussed the non-US markets side of the business issues in play here...
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Old December 14 2013, 01:44 AM   #2240
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Finally a guy I work with who is a huge Marvel guy pointed out that if this show did not have Marvel in front of it, it would have already been cancelled. Cant say I found many arguements with that statement.
Wasn't there a post recently linking to an article that compared its ratings to other shows and demonstrated that it was actually outperforming other new scripted dramas? I think the perception that it's struggling in the ratings is a myth. It's not the huge success everyone was expecting from the hype, but it's far from a failure in terms of how it stacks up against other actual shows.
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An interesting breakdown of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s ratings suggest that it's not doing nearly as bad as some would claim.
*Posted prematurely. quotes not attributed. Not gonna fix it. You know who you are.
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Old December 14 2013, 01:52 AM   #2241
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Also, another reason why I think Po is the Clairvoyant. After his first "consultation", he says that the Clairvoyant is having trouble seeing "the man who holds the key to stage three".

But immediately upon seeing Coulson and Peterson, without consulting the Clairvoyant, suddenly Po knows that Coulson is the key to Stage Three.
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Old December 14 2013, 11:07 AM   #2242
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If that critic is complaining that the action is too boring, the dialogue is interminable, and the characters are themselves, then he simply wants the show to be a different show-- something more along the line of Avengers, which was 99% explosions and 1% snippets of character nods.
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Old December 14 2013, 01:15 PM   #2243
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Maybe there wasn't any place better?
That was the impression I got, that it was supposed to be an open area without a lot of viable sniper vantage points nearby. However, modern snipers with the right equipment and training can take a shot from a few miles away, I think, so they fudged it a little there. (Though I'm not one to judge, since I made a similar mistake in Only Superhuman).
Yeah.. realism vs. TV drama and realism always loses. Sniper rifles can hit consistently at ranges of over a mile given a good team but that would be boring to see and doesn't serve story purpose.

So Ward had to be at normal rifle range and quite exposed so he could be hit later on leaving the viewer to wonder if he'll make it (of course he will just as Coulson will escape.. they'reemain characters after all).

I've long ago accepted this fact and try not to be bothered by it which is why when such situations are used anywhere and are realistic i do tend to notice and make a mental note.
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Old December 14 2013, 02:34 PM   #2244
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It got off to a tepid start but the characters are developing nicely, the Thor tie-in was fun, the introduction of more super-heroic elements is gathering pace, and the gradual build up of potential recurring characters will help. We've had cameos by Fury and Hill. They might do other movie tie-ins too. I'd love to see Hawkeye and Mockinbird feature (although Renner might be too expensive unless it's tied into the number of appearances he had in his movie deal). They could certainly do origin episodes for some of the lower key Avengers to save time in upcoming sequels.

Ming Na Wen remains the greatest part of the show and I can't wait to see her levels of ice cold stoicism being chipped away as the show progresses.
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Old December 14 2013, 04:00 PM   #2245
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FWIW, after last episode, I'm starting to think the African American combat specialist they're adding might actually be Akela Amador. My thought before was why not just say they're adding her if they're adding her. But it's possible they didn't want to risk spoilers related to last night's episode. She doesn't know who was controlling her, but she's the closest they have to an inside agent after Mike's departure (I would say death, but others want to dispute that so I'll let it slide). Plus, she has a plausible motive to join the team and can be enough of an outsider to shake things up (while still having the skills to justify being a member of the team in a way that Skye can't do).

It might not be her, of course, but I'm really starting to hope that it is.
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Old December 14 2013, 04:29 PM   #2246
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(of course he will just as Coulson will escape.. they're main characters after all).
You do remember this is a Whedon show, right...?
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Old December 14 2013, 05:47 PM   #2247
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I'll reiterate my own hopes re: Pascale Armand and her character Akela returning to SHIELD. Preferably on a continuing basis.

Both Akela and Mike, actually. But we'll see what happens after "The Magical Place" airs...
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Old December 14 2013, 06:07 PM   #2248
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If that critic is complaining that the action is too boring, the dialogue is interminable, and the characters are themselves, then he simply wants the show to be a different show
Lemme stop you right there - until "The Well", the lowest grade the critic gave was a few B-minuses. He wants the show to be better.


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My personal view is, if you agree with this review, then you shouldn't watch the show. I don't see why anyone should watch a show they don't enjoy. It just makes them miserable and everyone else miserable when that person inevitably complains about not liking the show.
Believe me, I didn't and don't want to be a downer on this show, and, like the AV Club's critic, I thought the eps up 'til "The Well" were fine, but that those past three have been markedly worse. I want to see more fun capers like "Eye Spy" and "The Hub"; the return of Hand is indeed a promising sign.
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All of you just need to say arrow is the best show there is.
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Old December 14 2013, 07:32 PM   #2250
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If that critic is complaining that the action is too boring, the dialogue is interminable, and the characters are themselves, then he simply wants the show to be a different show
Lemme stop you right there - until "The Well", the lowest grade the critic gave was a few B-minuses. He wants the show to be better.
In my mind, The Well was one of the best episodes so far, so I can't help him there. This show wants to be about the characters first and foremost. This show isn't about The Avengers and it isn't about massive action scenes. The criticisms of The Well seem to be that the action was small-scale and that it didn't have a character from the movie. But I think the episode stood really well on its own and, watching it, it's clear it isn't supposed to have a movie character. If it helps to think of this as the "Lower Decks" of the Marvel universe, that's fine. To me, I liked the Asgardian in the episode. I like how Coulson knows Thor better than he does. It fits the lower decks style. Lady Siff isn't going to show up because why would Lady Siff show up?

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My personal view is, if you agree with this review, then you shouldn't watch the show. I don't see why anyone should watch a show they don't enjoy. It just makes them miserable and everyone else miserable when that person inevitably complains about not liking the show.
Believe me, I didn't and don't want to be a downer on this show, and, like the AV Club's critic, I thought the eps up 'til "The Well" were fine, but that those past three have been markedly worse. I want to see more fun capers like "Eye Spy" and "The Hub"; the return of Hand is indeed a promising sign.
In that case, give it a chance through the break and see the next couple of episodes. Maybe through 14 or 15 and then decide if you want to watch the back seven or so. My guess is you'll enjoy a couple episodes but probably not every one.
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