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Old November 15 2013, 04:26 PM   #1651
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so it very well could be Hydra or AIM (in the comics those two things are connected, but that's not as likely to be the case here).
Why not? The MCU is all about interconnection. The Hulk's origin is tied to Erskine's supersoldier serum. HYDRA got its advanced technology from an Asgardian artifact, the Tesseract. SHIELD was developing weapons based on that same HYDRA tech as well as studying the Tesseract. And we've already seen in the pilot of this show that the "Centipede" tech is a spinoff of Extremis, Chitauri tech, and gamma radiation. The developers of the franchise like to give things common origins, to limit the number of root causes for the exotic aspects of the MCU. So it would be entirely in keeping with that to reveal that Killian's AIM was an offshoot or descendant of HYDRA.
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Old November 15 2013, 04:34 PM   #1652
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I'm just hoping that now that AIM has been outed as a Cabal of Evil Science that they all decide to put on beekeeper suits.
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Old November 15 2013, 04:41 PM   #1653
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Imagine this. It's the last ep of the season. The Girl in the Flowered Dress is talking to some flunky explaining what's going on or is being put into motion.

After the establishing shot we see nothing of her as the camera focuses on the flunky, and short cuts of the dress falling to the floor, the shoes being kicked off, and a wig and mask being dropped on a chair.

Then after she gives her last order we cut back to her and the flunky responds ...



As you order, Madame Hydra, Hail Hydra!!

I know that Viper was in the awful Wolverine movie, but we can probably work something out. After all Hydra is more of a Cap/ SHIELD enemy than X-men.
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Old November 15 2013, 04:43 PM   #1654
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so it very well could be Hydra or AIM (in the comics those two things are connected, but that's not as likely to be the case here).
Why not? The MCU is all about interconnection. The Hulk's origin is tied to Erskine's supersoldier serum. HYDRA got its advanced technology from an Asgardian artifact, the Tesseract. SHIELD was developing weapons based on that same HYDRA tech as well as studying the Tesseract. And we've already seen in the pilot of this show that the "Centipede" tech is a spinoff of Extremis, Chitauri tech, and gamma radiation. The developers of the franchise like to give things common origins, to limit the number of root causes for the exotic aspects of the MCU. So it would be entirely in keeping with that to reveal that Killian's AIM was an offshoot or descendant of HYDRA.
Sure, it's possible. The impression I got from Iron Man 3 was that Killian created AIM himself. Could he be a Neo-Hydra? Sure, of course he could. I just didn't get that impression.
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Old November 15 2013, 05:06 PM   #1655
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I'm just hoping that now that AIM has been outed as a Cabal of Evil Science that they all decide to put on beekeeper suits.
The people who captured the pyrokinetic magician in "The Girl in the Flower Dress" were wearing fire-protection suits that may conceivably have been a nod to the AIM costumes of the comics.


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Sure, it's possible. The impression I got from Iron Man 3 was that Killian created AIM himself. Could he be a Neo-Hydra? Sure, of course he could. I just didn't get that impression.
Two words: The Mandarin. The movies have overturned our impressions before.
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Old November 15 2013, 06:16 PM   #1656
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I'll accept that Killian co-opted the Ten Rings iconography for his own purposes once he learned of their existence. But it won't surprise me to find that Cinema'Verse AIM is Killian's own creation that's simply managed to outlive him without a HYDRA connection.
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Old November 15 2013, 06:58 PM   #1657
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I found this quote from Anthony Hopkins amusing, "I think they would have to explain in 'Thor 3,' if there is one, what happens to Odin. Or maybe it’ll just be a story line, maybe he went to Tahiti or something for a holiday. I don’t know."
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Old November 15 2013, 08:45 PM   #1658
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Duncan MacLeod wrote: View Post
Imagine this. It's the last ep of the season. The Girl in the Flowered Dress is talking to some flunky explaining what's going on or is being put into motion.

After the establishing shot we see nothing of her as the camera focuses on the flunky, and short cuts of the dress falling to the floor, the shoes being kicked off, and a wig and mask being dropped on a chair.

Then after she gives her last order we cut back to her and the flunky responds ...



As you order, Madame Hydra, Hail Hydra!!

I know that Viper was in the awful Wolverine movie, but we can probably work something out. After all Hydra is more of a Cap/ SHIELD enemy than X-men.
Don't spoil for us, Mr. Jed Whedon.
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Old November 15 2013, 09:35 PM   #1659
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But it won't surprise me to find that Cinema'Verse AIM is Killian's own creation that's simply managed to outlive him without a HYDRA connection.
Maybe, but it wouldn't surprise me if they revealed that Killian was working for the Red Skull all along. I mean, it would hardly be a shocker for the Skull to turn up alive in the present day, considering he's done so in the comics and most animated adaptations.
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Old November 16 2013, 12:06 AM   #1660
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Also the effect used for the Skull's death in CA:TFA looked an awful lot like the one used for Bifrost.

And, Gryffindorian, I'm not Jed, but I'd be pleased as punch to have that guess turn out to be right.
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Old November 16 2013, 01:18 AM   #1661
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Are Madame Hydra and Viper the same? Because if so, there might be rights issues with Fox.

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I found this quote from Anthony Hopkins amusing, "I think they would have to explain in 'Thor 3,' if there is one, what happens to Odin. Or maybe it’ll just be a story line, maybe he went to Tahiti or something for a holiday. I don’t know."
I called it!
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Old November 16 2013, 03:20 AM   #1662
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Are Madame Hydra and Viper the same? Because if so, there might be rights issues with Fox.
I think it might be like Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch, who can be used in both the X-Men and Avengers films as long as each avoids mentioning anything specific to the other.
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Old November 16 2013, 04:26 AM   #1663
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But it won't surprise me to find that Cinema'Verse AIM is Killian's own creation that's simply managed to outlive him without a HYDRA connection.
Maybe, but it wouldn't surprise me if they revealed that Killian was working for the Red Skull all along. I mean, it would hardly be a shocker for the Skull to turn up alive in the present day, considering he's done so in the comics and most animated adaptations.
You may have a point.

We don't know when/if/how the other shoe re: the Red Skull is going to drop, and Duncan raised a good point as well about how the Skull disappeared from that plane in The First Avenger. If he returned from wherever he went before Rogers woke up, he could've been (one of) Killian's backers after his hopes re: Stark fell through.
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Are Madame Hydra and Viper the same? Because if so, there might be rights issues with Fox.
In the comics, the earliest Madame Hydra we know of took the original Viper's name by deadly force, after breaking with her faction of HYDRA. So there might indeed be issues.
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Old November 16 2013, 10:29 AM   #1665
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Just a random thought- its referred to as the MCU, the Marvel cinematic universe. But with Agents of SHIELD on TV, along with the eventual Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and 500 other tv spin offs, and the shorts such as Agent Carter, Item 47 etc, does that term really still apply? In that cinematic refers to movies, no? When there's a lot more to it than that now.
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