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Old September 24 2013, 02:03 PM   #1
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Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1

Am I the only one who is bothered by that scene (since 1980)?

Isn't widely known that the apparent movement of the sun in the sky is caused by Earth's rotation?

If the Enterprise is moving forward in its orbit (together with the camera, looking back) then what should be seen is a sunset, no?

You know, this shot:


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Old September 24 2013, 02:16 PM   #2
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That's it; Star Trek is ruined.


*leaves forever*
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Old September 24 2013, 03:27 PM   #3
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If the Enterprise is moving forward in its orbit (together with the camera, looking back) then what should be seen is a sunset, no?
Assuming the Enterprise and the camera are stuck in a geostationary orbit the "counter-clockwise" rotation of Earth would eventually reveal a sunrise, IMHO.

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Old September 24 2013, 08:20 PM   #4
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Exactly, the Earth rotates around the sun, so a Sunrise will appear.
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Old September 24 2013, 08:29 PM   #5
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Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1

That's funny. I never noticed that before. It's still a good-looking shot, though. I guess our perspective is skewed and the Enterprise is actually orbiting Earth backwards.
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Old September 25 2013, 12:19 AM   #6
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I never thought the ship was orbiting, it is in a hurry to get out there, I thought it was 'outbound' heading away from Earth (which is a little smaller in frame than in earlier shots, I think, though that could be subject to using a different longer/shorter lens, I guess) ...

So as it gains 'height' headed away from Earth, it is moving 'up' relative to the sun as well.
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Old September 25 2013, 04:57 AM   #7
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All I know is that now I want that second shot as my computer wallpaper...
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Old September 25 2013, 01:26 PM   #8
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All I know is that now I want that second shot as my computer wallpaper...
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Old September 25 2013, 03:23 PM   #9
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I guess our perspective is skewed and the Enterprise is actually orbiting Earth backwards.
You know I had the exact same idea. Not very Star-Trek-y, though.
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Old September 25 2013, 11:32 PM   #10
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The Enterprise was NOT in geosynchronous orbit that is a shot of it leaving Earths orbit which eventually depending on the suns position would then break Earth's horizon.
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Old September 26 2013, 01:12 AM   #11
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Re: Sunrise *behind* Enterprise after launch in ST1

And doesn't the camera keep rising up, so the the sun is definitely going to become visible.

IIRC, people used to quibble about the inconsistent shadows on the planets and moons as Enterprise departed the solar system.
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Old September 26 2013, 06:32 PM   #12
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Hober Mallow wrote: View Post
... the Enterprise is actually orbiting Earth backwards.
That's the most likely answer.

The Enterprise in it's "dry dock" was above the city of San Fransisco, you could make out geographic features on the ground. The Enterprise's starboard side was facing the ground and the dorsal direction was north.

At theis point the ship is in fact orbiting backwards.

Given the apparent size of the Earth, the ship, dry dock and space station are not in geo orbit.

When the ship left dry dock it actually did so by slowing it orbital speed, but was still moving ass end first. The dry dock now preceeding it in orbit.

The sun rising as it does is completely acurate.

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Old September 26 2013, 07:01 PM   #13
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science confuses me
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Old September 26 2013, 09:02 PM   #14
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When the ship left dry dock it actually did so by slowing it orbital speed, but was still moving ass end first. The dry dock now preceeding it in orbit.
So it was not the Enterprise that departed the drydock, it was the drydock that departed the Enterprise?

The sun rising as it does is completely acurate.

completely.
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Old September 27 2013, 07:37 AM   #15
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So it was not the Enterprise that departed the drydock, it was the drydock that departed the Enterprise?
In a way.
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