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Old September 27 2013, 01:48 AM   #31
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Re: The Opening Of Star Trek 3

i think that is a different red shirt all together. remember cupcake had a beard, this guy does not.
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Old September 27 2013, 02:51 AM   #32
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That doesn't look like Cupcake/Hendorff.
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Old September 27 2013, 02:57 AM   #33
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mattman8907 wrote: View Post
i think that is a different red shirt all together. remember cupcake had a beard, this guy does not.
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That doesn't look like Cupcake/Hendorff.
I agree with these two. That doesn't look like Cupcake.
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Old October 1 2013, 04:10 AM   #34
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Cupcake be schrodinger's cat.
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Old October 1 2013, 04:21 AM   #35
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The Opening Of Star Trek 3
Spock is climbing a mountain, and falls. Kirk saves him! A testy Uhura meets them at the campsite, while Scotty and Bones become lost in the woods. Later they all sing a Beatles tune by the fire. Defenders of the film call it a brilliant inversion of the original. Everyone else calls it a surreal ripoff.
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Old October 1 2013, 01:31 PM   #36
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An opening similar to Prometheus would be interesting. A wide shot with the Enterprise being extremely tiny, moving at extremely fast speed through the frame. Then a 10 minute steadicam shot moving through the ship, following the characters doing their routine jobs during the 5-year mission, ending with Kirk and Spock playing 3D chess in the lounge.

But that would be quality, and they don't do that in this timeline.
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Old October 1 2013, 01:36 PM   #37
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You can say that again.
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Old October 1 2013, 02:04 PM   #38
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BillJ wrote: View Post
mattman8907 wrote: View Post
i think that is a different red shirt all together. remember cupcake had a beard, this guy does not.
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That doesn't look like Cupcake/Hendorff.
I agree with these two. That doesn't look like Cupcake.
It's the same actor (Jason Matthew Smith). He just ditched the goatee and let his hair grow out some.

Smith was credited in the end credits as "Burly Cadet #1" in Star Trek XI and actually as "Cupcake" in Star Trek XII (despite being addressed onscreen in the latter as "Mr. Hendorff").
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Old October 1 2013, 06:33 PM   #39
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C.E. Evans wrote: View Post
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mattman8907 wrote: View Post
i think that is a different red shirt all together. remember cupcake had a beard, this guy does not.
Set Harth wrote: View Post
That doesn't look like Cupcake/Hendorff.
I agree with these two. That doesn't look like Cupcake.
It's the same actor (Jason Matthew Smith). He just ditched the goatee and let his hair grow out some.

Smith was credited in the end credits as "Burly Cadet #1" in Star Trek XI and actually as "Cupcake" in Star Trek XII (despite being addressed onscreen in the latter as "Mr. Hendorff").
You're correct concerning the credits, but I think mattman8907 and Set Harth are also correct in saying the large redshirt behind Cumberbatch's left shoulder in the scene which has Khan being escorted by the security detail does not look like Jason Matthew Smith's Cupcake. Compare the image accompanying this article (different camera angle than the shot provided upthread) to Cupcake/Hendorff's appearance during the chase scene. They're not the same actor.

[Edit: the large redshirt in the security detail scene is probably this guy - looks like he played the large alien cadet in the last movie.]
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Old October 1 2013, 06:46 PM   #40
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I agree with these two. That doesn't look like Cupcake.
It's the same actor (Jason Matthew Smith). He just ditched the goatee and let his hair grow out some.

Smith was credited in the end credits as "Burly Cadet #1" in Star Trek XI and actually as "Cupcake" in Star Trek XII (despite being addressed onscreen in the latter as "Mr. Hendorff").
You're correct concerning the credits, but I think mattman8907 and Set Harth are also correct in saying the large redshirt behind Cumberbatch's left shoulder in the scene which has Khan being escorted by the security detail does not look like Jason Matthew Smith's Cupcake. Compare the image accompanying this article (different camera angle than the shot provided upthread) to Cupcake/Hendorff's appearance during the chase scene. They're not the same actor.

[Edit: the large redshirt in the security detail scene is probably this guy - he played the large alien cadet in the last movie.]
Hmm, lighting does make a world of difference.
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Old October 14 2013, 07:30 PM   #41
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I'd love to see another TOS-like romp to start 3. It was my favorite part of ID.


Same concept, but in a different type of setting...something off-world.

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Old October 16 2013, 01:07 AM   #42
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Rather depends on the theme of the film. For example...

If the story dealt with the idea of mortality and death, seeing Kirk as the only survivor of an Away Team that went terribly wrong--maybe as he sees the last of the team die, then his own rescue and recovery in Sickbay--might work great!

But if the story dealt with Kirk's failure to make a human connection to others, a sequence at some diplomatic mission where it becomes obvious not only are Spock and Uhura happy, but Bones is getting quite close to Carol Marcus, while the Alien Ambassador's daughter clearly finds Sulu adorable, resulting in Kirk telling him a lie that these females eat their mates a la black widow spiders--that could play out in a funny/sad way.

Or, just to set things up, let us slowly get closer to a starship in a lot of trouble. Approaching something mysterious in deep space, then attacked in some bizarre way we've never seen before. The ship looks like the Enterprise, but only on much closer shots do we see it is USS Reliant falling prey to...something. A few escape pods manage to survive, with Lt. Cmdr. Finnegan and Ensign Rand knowing a distress signal did get out. They're pretty sure Enterprise is only a day or so distance...
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Old October 16 2013, 02:23 AM   #43
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Rather depends on the theme of the film. For example...

If the story dealt with the idea of mortality and death, seeing Kirk as the only survivor of an Away Team that went terribly wrong--maybe as he sees the last of the team die, then his own rescue and recovery in Sickbay--might work great!

But if the story dealt with Kirk's failure to make a human connection to others, a sequence at some diplomatic mission where it becomes obvious not only are Spock and Uhura happy, but Bones is getting quite close to Carol Marcus, while the Alien Ambassador's daughter clearly finds Sulu adorable, resulting in Kirk telling him a lie that these females eat their mates a la black widow spiders--that could play out in a funny/sad way.

Or, just to set things up, let us slowly get closer to a starship in a lot of trouble. Approaching something mysterious in deep space, then attacked in some bizarre way we've never seen before. The ship looks like the Enterprise, but only on much closer shots do we see it is USS Reliant falling prey to...something. A few escape pods manage to survive, with Lt. Cmdr. Finnegan and Ensign Rand knowing a distress signal did get out. They're pretty sure Enterprise is only a day or so distance...
I'm a starship geek, so seeing the nuTrek version of Reliant would be very cool.
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Old October 16 2013, 03:58 AM   #44
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Not sure what exactly I'd like it to be, but I think if the main plot is going to be a reimagining of a classic Trek episode/movie, the opener should be something completely new, not at all routed in preexisting continuity. If the main plot is completely new, I'd be very happy to see Sulu shirtless fencing or something.
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Old October 21 2013, 11:50 PM   #45
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I'd like to see it open with the Enterprise furiously chasing after the freighter shuttle they confiscated from Mudds daughter...

After a throughly exhilarating chase (think TESB asteroid scene), they finally manage to catch up to it and just as they are about to slam a tractor beam on it, somehow it escapes...

Just before it warps away, the pilots face pops up on the Enterprise view screen and it turns out to be Shatner as a somewhat older Harcourt Fenton Mudd (very gray mustache), telling them "Thanks for returning his ship to him".

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