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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Favorite/Best Regeneration Story
The Tenth Planet 1 2.50%
War Games 5 12.50%
Planet of the Spiders 1 2.50%
Logopolis 3 7.50%
Caves of Androzani 19 47.50%
The Enemy Within (The TV Movie) 0 0%
Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways 8 20.00%
The End of Time 3 7.50%
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Old September 23 2013, 05:48 PM   #16
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Logopolis . . . Plus, why did the Doctor want to fix the chameleon circuit all of a sudden?
That bit stems from the Keeper of Traken where the Doctor is reminded that the Master has a TARDIS with a fully functioning chameleon circuit and used it to good effect (from the Master's POV).

And, I'd say that story harkens back to Delgado's Master whose TARDIS routinely changed shapes for good effect (from a circus truck to a space ship). In Colony in Space (I believe), the Doctor notes that the Master's TARDIS is more advanced than his.

I think the Doctor felt insecure, over-matched and basically had his face rubbed in the fact that the Master's TARDIS is superior to his own. Particularly because it's been a long standing issue with the Master and the Doctor still hadn't fixed it!

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Hm, good point. I must not have paid attention at that moment. Shame on me, I guess. Thanks for it, anyway.

Do note I don't dislike Logopolis at all - I just think it needed a more focused, more Holmes-esque rewrite. Unrealized potential and all that.
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Old September 23 2013, 06:35 PM   #17
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^ I like Logopolis quite a bit myself. It's not the best regeneration story but I think it's up there among the best.

A few things were nonsensical. Not sure how the measurements of a different police box helps the Logopolans fix the chameleon circuit. The idea of partially materializing underwater to flush out the Master's TARDIS doesn't seem that well thought out either!

But, it had some very intriguing ideas and I liked visual style. The tone was appropriapately somber. Etc. Good stuff!

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Old September 23 2013, 06:57 PM   #18
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Yeah, I think ultimately it was the writing that bothered me. Tegan's introduction sorta distracts from the importance of this being the Fourth Doctor's farewell, and poor Nyssa gets to have no real role other than to react to the destruction of Traken.

That said, one of the things I liked was that the E-Space trilogy occured because it was the Logopolitans that created the CVE's that led them in.
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Old September 23 2013, 07:39 PM   #19
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My personal favourite is Enemy Within, but I'm voting for this as a regeneration story, not a good story in general. For me, it was a close tie between Planet of Spiders, Logopolis, and End of Time. I only saw PoS once, so I haven't really been able to see whether it is watchable over and over again, Logopolis I have seen too many times, so that leaves End of time as default.
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Old September 23 2013, 08:52 PM   #20
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My favorite is Matt Smith's regeneration... oh wait I forgot you guys have not see that yet, im to far back in time..
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Old September 24 2013, 04:25 AM   #21
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This really should be a top three, but it's got to be Androzani, so it's second or third choice that's the interesting bit. I'd be trying to pick between Logopolis, 10th Planet, War Games and Parting of the Ways, with 10th Planet probably losing out, and maybe War Games as well.
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Old September 24 2013, 04:41 AM   #22
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I've always been partial to "The War Games," just because I think it's an absolutely brilliant piece of television (especially in context), and Patrick Troughton is easily my favorite Doctor.

From a filmmaking perspective, though, I have to go with "The Parting of the Ways," just because of how it so concisely establishes the regeneration conceit for new viewers and wraps a neat bow around Eccleston's tenure.

All of them are better than the 15-minute on-screen masturbation that closes "The End of Time." Jesus.
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Old September 24 2013, 12:10 PM   #23
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diankra wrote: View Post
This really should be a top three, but it's got to be Androzani, so it's second or third choice that's the interesting bit. I'd be trying to pick between Logopolis, 10th Planet, War Games and Parting of the Ways, with 10th Planet probably losing out, and maybe War Games as well.
Yeah, The Caves of Androzani was an easy top choice, but I don't know what I'd pick between The War Games, Logopolis, and "The Parting of the Ways."

(I've never actually seen Planet of the Spiders. )
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Old September 24 2013, 01:20 PM   #24
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Androzani by some distance...
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Old September 24 2013, 01:33 PM   #25
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Tenth Planet- pretty decent, introduces fun new enemies, but they and the Doctor are both absent for large chunks of it. Still, very striking and a strong contender.

The War Games - fun but overlong, and doesn't actually include a regeneration, cos it's off-screen.

Planet Of The Spiders- Mix of good and dire, woefully over-padded, but has some nice bits. Could have been a fantastic four-parter.

Logopolis- The first two episodes are turgid, and amazingly stupid (hell, "materialize the TARDIS underwater and open the doors") but the last two episode are great, and the regeneration really is fitting for the end of an era.

Caves Of Androzani- Easily the best regeneration story - full of doom and foreboding but without overdoing it. Great death scene for Five as well. As far as being a classic DW story overall, though, it's overrated. Great case and direction, but it is, after all, Power Of Kroll done dry.

The TVM - harmless fun, I guess, but didn't need a regeneration - there wasn't one between Troughton and Pertwee, after all - and bothering it robs us of some of the limited chance to get to know the new Doctor.

Parting of The Ways- not bad, though the regeneration feels tagged on at the last minute -for obvious reasons!

End Of Time- fun story overall, great Master story, but the actual regeneration tour itself is just stupidly overblown and has me shouting "get fucking on with it". If only he'd actually regenerated by surprise in The Stolen Earth... That would have been amazing!

So, I voted for Caves, with Tenth Planet a close second. If it was a vote for them as just "Best story" I'd have voted differently.
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Old September 24 2013, 02:40 PM   #26
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Music wise..

End of Time (love Vale Decem)
Parting of the Ways
Caves
Logopolis
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Old September 24 2013, 05:25 PM   #27
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Caves was by far the best one. I am especially sick of the New Who telling us so far in advance and then making the whole episode about the fact he's going to die/regenerate (ugh, and having him KNOW he's going to regenerate). Lame. Give us a great story, and have the doctor die at the end of it...only to come back regenerated.
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Old September 24 2013, 10:16 PM   #28
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Unfortunately, I haven't seen caves of Tenth Planet yet. Shame, they seem to be the most popular ones. :P
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Old September 25 2013, 01:20 AM   #29
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Unfortunately, I haven't seen caves of Tenth Planet yet. Shame, they seem to be the most popular ones. :P
Well, the 10th Planet dvd is out three weeks on Monday... and Androzani? Never been out of the top three in any poll since it first went out !
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Old September 25 2013, 03:50 AM   #30
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The War Games, but only if done this way.
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