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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: borg for Trek 3
yes. 41 20.71%
no. 140 70.71%
save them for ST 4 (if there is one) 17 8.59%
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Old June 14 2014, 04:57 PM   #211
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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there's some interesting pathos and drama if Spock were the last full Vulcan.
And he's not even full Vulcan!
Ouch. That was a dumb mistake. I should know better.
Hey Bill J that is a good story outline.
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Old June 14 2014, 06:48 PM   #212
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If you think the Borg are a bad idea presently, just wait until future film makers decide to do the time travel stories Borg in WW2, Edith Keeler is Borg, Borg in the Wild West, Borg and the American Revolution, Borg and the Spanish Inquisition, Borg and the Romans, Borg on Apollo 13. I fully expect that those will happen before I die, and I also fully expect that some of them will end up being my guilty pleasures.
Actually, a time travel story in which the Borg go back to the Roman Empire or American Civil War was considered in the early planning stages of First Contact. And another one set in the Renaissance was even developed in some detail before they ultimately decided to go with Cochrane's warp flight.
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Old June 14 2014, 07:05 PM   #213
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I could see a Borg story with Kirk and Company
Your story idea is nice, but I'd like it to start off where STID left off, with the deep space mission, letting them go into uncharted territory. Rehashing Q Who's narrative about us not being prepared for the weird that expects us in deep space, but without the self-centred godlike creature that tries to lecture us. Perhaps also following Franklin's preference for not being a shoot 'em up movie.

So basically what you said, but instead of a Federaion colony, have an encounter with a different society.


If I'd adapt it to my personal taste, I'd go with something like the following, although it would probably work more as an episode than a film... But you could make it an initial Nibiru sequence, with a sad ending this time.
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Old June 16 2014, 01:01 AM   #214
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

No, I don't want the Borg in the next movie. I do not want TNG nonsense polluting my TOS. Let someone reboot TNG and bring back the Borg there. Surely there are any number of TOS era stories that can be explored.
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Old June 16 2014, 01:23 AM   #215
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No. They should save that for nuTNG, as it's more their thing. It would be as off putting as having Kirk face off with the Jem'Hadar.
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Old June 16 2014, 02:17 AM   #216
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

Now, if we really are getting a reboot TNG then I'd be more likely to say save the Borg for them.
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Old June 16 2014, 04:12 AM   #217
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Now, if we really are getting a reboot TNG then I'd be more likely to say save the Borg for them.
If they have the right story, they should go for it. Why save the Borg for a tomorrow that may never come?
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Old June 16 2014, 06:34 AM   #218
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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If they use the Borg they should tie them in with the machine planet.
Why? Do we need to make the universe any smaller than it is? I get some people like playing connect the dots, but I've never understood why we need every mystery explained?

Besides, if we had to do an origin story, grab the origin from the Destiny novels. Makes for a far better story.
I fully agree, and to be perfectly honest the ending to that series was really the only humane way to deal with the Borg as a whole. The resources would nearly never exist to free and care for the whole collective if it were to fall.

IT is far far too early in the JJ verse to deal with the Borg, But there are plenty of other races out there that need some movie love.. Tzenkethi perhaps!

I would also love to see them bring out the planet killer and the Whale Probe in the same movie! Cxcept this time the JJfeds actually capture the Planet Killer and use it on the Whale Probe! Yeah I know, mean, but hell why not.
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Old June 17 2014, 01:05 AM   #219
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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I do not want TNG nonsense polluting my TOS.
But sometimes two great tastes taste great together. You know, like chocolate and peanut butter!
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Old June 17 2014, 01:08 AM   #220
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Not no, but hell no.

Nothing from TNG. Not a scrap.
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Old June 17 2014, 01:28 AM   #221
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

The Borg? NO!

But it would put the cherry on this steaming pile of excrement we call a trilogy of movies.
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Old June 17 2014, 02:49 AM   #222
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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I do not want TNG nonsense polluting my TOS.
But sometimes two great tastes taste great together. You know, like chocolate and peanut butter!
Meh.
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Old June 17 2014, 02:50 AM   #223
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Not no, but hell no.

Nothing from TNG. Not a scrap.
Agree. Not a Borg, not a Q, not a Ferengi. Nada!
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Old June 17 2014, 03:21 AM   #224
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The Borg? NO!

But it would put the cherry on this steaming pile of excrement we call a trilogy of movies.
Stay classy.
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Old June 17 2014, 04:00 AM   #225
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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Now, if we really are getting a reboot TNG then I'd be more likely to say save the Borg for them.
If they have the right story, they should go for it. Why save the Borg for a tomorrow that may never come?
The problem is that if TOS starts using the heavy hitters of TNG instead of its own, there won't be much for a TNG reboot to play with for their own films.

"Hey, let's use the Borg! Picard gets captured just like in that classic episode!"
"But we already did that with Kirk."
"Oh, right. How bout the Cardassians?"
"We already used them too."
"Oh... Hmm... Well what do even have to work with?"
"There's the Ferengi..."
"..."
"..."
"How bout Lore?"
"NEMESIS already redid that though."
"Didn't stop us from using Khan again."
"OH OH!! I know! Lore and Khan TEAM UP."
"MAKE IT SO!!!"
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