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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: borg for Trek 3
yes. 22 19.64%
no. 82 73.21%
save them for ST 4 (if there is one) 8 7.14%
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Old October 17 2013, 06:26 PM   #181
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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A non-Borg Threatened 24th Century would be interesting.

How about a 'Q Who' type episode with Kirk and crew - They meet up with Q who propells them into the Delta Quadrant to meet the Borg a la Picard style. But instead of getting a bloody nose and running like Picard, Kirk and crew kicks their collective asses, freeing them all, much to Q's dislike.

Fanwanky, I know.
Change Q to Trelane.
Please don't. Trelane was one of the worst characters TOS ever came up with. Literally a semi-ominiscient baby, who spent the entire episode whining and complaining. It was decent enough as a comedic episode of a tv series, but it would be complete crap as a film.
Interesting - I've never thought of "The Squire of Gothos" as an especially comedic episode, and it was exactly the notion that Trelane was a child which made it work for me.

"Omniscient" or "semi-omniscient" might not be quite the right descriptors but if you imagine a character who's the rough equivalent of a seven-year-old, with all the capacity for simple joy and sudden anger and meanness and casual cruelty which that entails, and you allow him the ability (within the defined limits of his "play area") to do anything he wants and manipulate/toy with/torment anything he chooses - well, that's potentially a pretty frightening sort of person for our crew to encounter. I thought that William Campbell did a very effective job at conveying the range of attitudes and behaviors called for by the story.

All that said, I'd just as soon see a new adversary in the next outing than I would a re-imagined Trelane, a spiffed-up and scarier Borg, or a V'Ger-Nomad-Doomsday-whale probe sort of thingy. I could even do without the Klingons, though at the moment that seems less likely.
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Old October 18 2013, 08:17 AM   #182
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

I think Borg might make an appearance in the third film, them being in the five year mission and so on
How about that Enterprise would encounter a Klingon vessel during their voyage, that is under attack by the Borg.
Kirk and company saves them but they are not happy to see the Starfleet people, considering how many Klingons got killed in STID.
Spock figures that only way to defeat the Borg is to work together with the Klingons.
This would create some interesting dynamics, tension and explore both the Klingons and the Borg further in this "new" trekverse
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Old October 18 2013, 11:10 AM   #183
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

M'Sharak wrote: View Post
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Change Q to Trelane.
Please don't. Trelane was one of the worst characters TOS ever came up with. Literally a semi-ominiscient baby, who spent the entire episode whining and complaining. It was decent enough as a comedic episode of a tv series, but it would be complete crap as a film.
Interesting - I've never thought of "The Squire of Gothos" as an especially comedic episode, and it was exactly the notion that Trelane was a child which made it work for me.

"Omniscient" or "semi-omniscient" might not be quite the right descriptors but if you imagine a character who's the rough equivalent of a seven-year-old, with all the capacity for simple joy and sudden anger and meanness and casual cruelty which that entails, and you allow him the ability (within the defined limits of his "play area") to do anything he wants and manipulate/toy with/torment anything he chooses - well, that's potentially a pretty frightening sort of person for our crew to encounter. I thought that William Campbell did a very effective job at conveying the range of attitudes and behaviors called for by the story.

I suppose it probably wasn't meant to be comedic, but I still have a very hard time taking it seriously. Maybe with a different script/actor, it could be much more impressive, but I wouldn't hold out too much hope.


All that said, I'd just as soon see a new adversary in the next outing than I would a re-imagined Trelane, a spiffed-up and scarier Borg, or a V'Ger-Nomad-Doomsday-whale probe sort of thingy. I could even do without the Klingons, though at the moment that seems less likely.
I would agree with that, as well. Really, I would prefer the next film focus more on a problem than a villain. The shows didn't focus on big bads every single episode and its starting to annoy me a little that the movies have gotten so obsessed with this formula.
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Old October 19 2013, 08:16 PM   #184
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

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I think Borg might make an appearance in the third film, them being in the five year mission and so on
How about that Enterprise would encounter a Klingon vessel during their voyage, that is under attack by the Borg.
Kirk and company saves them but they are not happy to see the Starfleet people, considering how many Klingons got killed in STID.
Spock figures that only way to defeat the Borg is to work together with the Klingons.
This would create some interesting dynamics, tension and explore both the Klingons and the Borg further in this "new" trekverse
That's one of the few scenarios that I'd be happy to have the Borg in ST3, only danger is of them doing a Spider Man 3 and overdoing it with the bad guys
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Old October 20 2013, 07:44 AM   #185
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

I think it's likely they will be. Depends how Abrams and co choose to do the 50th in cinema. But I honestly think the Borg are likely. They might even be good, if done well.

I'm not going to hold out much hope for the next film though, as these Abramsverse Trek films, while entertaining enough, haven't really done it for me as Star Trek.
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Old October 20 2013, 09:59 AM   #186
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Re: Should the Borg be the villain in Trek 3?

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see them in it (secretly, I would!) as long as they are done right, like an unstoppable plague of locusts, with modern effects it would be amazing. My problem is that so far we've had one classic TOS villain and that's it? Straight to TNG antagonists? Doesn't say much for the calibre of potential stuff they could plunder does it? I would like a Klingon story of some kind, with the conflict as a background story rather than the main focus. For me it doesn't matter that the Klingons have been done to death in Trek, as long as they bag actors of the calibre of Cumberbatch (I wouldn't object to him being awakened for part 3 to be honest, I loved him in STID) and give them something good to do, I'm in.
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