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Old November 13 2013, 07:45 PM   #91
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I think that Thomas might find out about Bates' involvement in Green's death in some way and try to use it to his advantage. Then again, maybe the twist is that everyone just assumes Bates did it while he was really just doing something in York. It's odd they didn't show any of it.
Well it was clearly hoping for a suspenseful ending, but as a lot of people have pointed out online, travelling to London, orchestrating and carrying out the perfect crime and making it back to York in one day by modern car would be tricky, let alone 1920s rail. I really hope it doesn't turn out that he did it, because it really does make little to no plausible sense.
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Old December 26 2013, 02:13 PM   #92
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The Christmas episode, Mary is a moralistic cow one second, and ready to lie and thieve to save her skin the next. Almost every episode I like her a little less. There was not enough of Maggie Smith and Shirley McClaine. Christmas with those two verbally smacking down everyone for the whole episode would have been glorious. It could have been worse, nothing like Mathew dying to make a Christmas downer, but I am glad the war is coming to knock these clowns off their pedestals.
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Old December 26 2013, 08:09 PM   #93
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The Christmas episode, Mary is a moralistic cow one second, and ready to lie and thieve to save her skin the next. Almost every episode I like her a little less. There was not enough of Maggie Smith and Shirley McClaine. Christmas with those two verbally smacking down everyone for the whole episode would have been glorious. It could have been worse, nothing like Mathew dying to make a Christmas downer, but I am glad the war is coming to knock these clowns off their pedestals.
What war? It's 1923!

Anyway, I thought the Christmas special was better than the season 4 finale. The finale kind of fizzled out...
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Old December 26 2013, 08:12 PM   #94
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I thought there was a lot of humour in the special. I enjoyed the sarcasm match between the Dowager Countess and Cora's mother. The fresh wind the Americans brought was also a nice change and it gave Carson an opportunity to shine.
One of the best things of the episode was Daisy's and Mrs. Patmore's relationship which was just sweet to see. I hope that Daisy got all the hints dropped in this episode that she should take up the offer of her surrogate Dad.
The scheme they came up with to save the honour of the Prince of Wales was hilarious. I got a kick out of them being so oblivious to the fact that they have a master criminal as their valet.
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Old December 26 2013, 08:30 PM   #95
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I thought there was a lot of humour in the special. I enjoyed the sarcasm match between the Dowager Countess and Cora's mother. The fresh wind the Americans brought was also a nice change and it gave Carson an opportunity to shine.
One of the best things of the episode was Daisy's and Mrs. Patmore's relationship which was just sweet to see. I hope that Daisy got all the hints dropped in this episode that she should take up the offer of her surrogate Dad.
The scheme they came up with to save the honour of the Prince of Wales was hilarious. I got a kick out of them being so oblivious to the fact that they have a master criminal as their valet.
Oh I really enjoyed Paul Giamatti's performance. Having seen him in John Adams, I thought he was the best actor (and character) in the special. I hope it's not a one-off appearance of Harold!

While Mr Bates continues to surprise me. He may be a murderer, but he is one skilled liar and pretty amazing at forging handwriting.

I'm also glad Anna is back to her cheery self while it was rather kind of Mary to destroy the only evidence which could have implicated Mr Bates committing murder.
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Old December 26 2013, 09:16 PM   #96
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While Mr Bates continues to surprise me. He may be a murderer, but he is one skilled liar and pretty amazing at forging handwriting.
We already saw his forging skills in the episode where he came up with a scheme to have Mosley's debt paid. So, when they were talking about forging a letter to get entrance to Mr. Samson's (is that the name?) apartment I was thinking to myself that they should ask Bates. And then they did.

In this episode we learned that he's also very good at being a pick-pocket. I appreciate Lord Grantham's not batting an eye when Bates told him where the letter actually was.

It was very sloppy of him to leave the only piece of incriminating evidence in his coat pocket instead of destroying it right away. I wonder whether this will be the last we've seen of that storyline or whether it will come back in some form in the next season.
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Old December 26 2013, 09:19 PM   #97
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While Mr Bates continues to surprise me. He may be a murderer, but he is one skilled liar and pretty amazing at forging handwriting.
We already saw his forging skills in the episode where he came up with a scheme to have Mosley's debt paid. So, when they were talking about forging a letter to get entrance to Mr. Samson's (is that the name?) apartment I was thinking to myself that they should ask Bates. And then they did.

In this episode we learned that he's also very good at being a pick-pocket. I appreciate Lord Grantham's not batting an eye when Bates told him where the letter actually was.

It was very sloppy of him to leave the only piece of incriminating evidence in his coat pocket instead of destroying it right away. I wonder whether this will be the last we've seen of that storyline or whether it will come back in some form in the next season.
Well I started watching Downton Abbey from season 4 so my knowledge of the series is a little lacking.
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Old December 26 2013, 09:31 PM   #98
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I think that was in season 4 but I might be wrong.
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Old December 27 2013, 02:04 PM   #99
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Are we having another time jump at the start of the next season? Do we know? It seems a lot of storylines have made it to a point where they could take a jump into the 30s. The line about the brownshirts made me wonder...
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Old December 27 2013, 02:19 PM   #100
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1924 is just after the Beerhall Putsch (1923) and the SA (formed in 1920) was duking it out in street violence with Socialists, Communists, and in general anyone who disagreed with them, through out the 20's. Dolph was released in Dec of '24. Edith's beau could easily have run into a group in 1924. A time jump isn't impossible, 1928 to 1930 would be a likely place for new drama I should think. The Nazi's start becoming a political force to be reckoned with, Hirohito formally becomes Emperor, Chiang Kai Shek comes to the fore front, the UK goes off the gold standard ('31 I think) so a lot of stuff heralding the future that Shirley McLaine said was coming starts there.
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Old December 27 2013, 02:27 PM   #101
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Are we having another time jump at the start of the next season? Do we know? It seems a lot of storylines have made it to a point where they could take a jump into the 30s. The line about the brownshirts made me wonder...
It's still 1923 when things are getting interesting in Munich regarding the brownshirts for the first time. There'll be their attempt at a coup on November 9th. I'm secretly rooting for an episode set during that with Edith in Munich searching for Gregson.
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Old December 27 2013, 02:34 PM   #102
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I had the impression this Christmas was December of 1924 in the show? Though Edith in Munich in time for the Putsch is a neat idea.
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Old December 27 2013, 04:22 PM   #103
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At one point there was a caption saying it was 1923. And it didn't look like Christmas time. I think ball season is probably in spring or summer. So, the possibility is there, especially since Edith will travel to the continent, anyway, and might not be able to resist going for a look herself.
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Old December 27 2013, 08:05 PM   #104
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Really enjoyed the Christmas special, it was nice and light and good fun.

Set up a couple of things too I suppose, like the hunt being on for Mary's beaver pelt and Edith's "NOT WITHOUT MY DAUGHTER!!" crusade. I wonder if Martha's verbal beat down of Violet will have any effect on the way Violet acts in the future.

The ending was the best part though, Mr Carson holding hands with Mrs Hughes. Awwwwwwwwwww.
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Did not make it to the end.
I'm fed up of watching Edith getting shit on and Mary being chased by men.
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