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Old September 24 2013, 02:11 AM   #31
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Re: Ugly Things That Ruin a Show

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Any TV show I find difficult to watch, for any reason, I just stop watching.

Though in 2BG's defense, the maid uniforms are supposed to be unnattractive. That's just one more incentive for the girls to try and improve their lot in life.
Aren't they waitresses?
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Old September 24 2013, 02:17 AM   #32
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I can see where the OP is coming from. He's not demanding pretty actors; he's talking about the visual palette and aesthetics of a show. Which, when you're dealing with a visual medium, is a factor worth considering.
Yes, this is exactly what I meant. Thank you for expressing it much more eloquently than I. For something so visual as television, I do think it's fair to judge the aesthetics.

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Anything involving Mr. Hankey from South Park. Whenever he's onscreen he leaves shit everywhere. It's sick, really.
I had a feeling someone would bring up this example. I mean, he literally looks like shit. If I start to think about it too much it starts to bother me as well.

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Kat Dennings from Two Broke Girls may be built like Jessica Rabbit but I assure you that she isn't an animated character.
And he was more than obviously talking about the color of her costume and nothing else. In his post he didn't call a single person ugly.
As Takeru says, I was not criticizing Kat Dennings, I was only commenting on the red and yellow uniforms they wear to work.



I've never seen a human being that so repulsed me I had to look away. Humans have more depth to them than physical appearance. Animated characters and the visual aesthetics of a TV set, however, do not.

By the way everyone, I am a "she."
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Old September 24 2013, 02:24 AM   #33
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the ugly girl (a badly drawn Meg)
Not a fan of Bob's Burgers either, but I always thought that the girl looked more like a cross-dressing Milhouse from The Simpsons than Meg.

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Agreed.
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Old September 24 2013, 02:41 AM   #34
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He's the Seth MacFarlane character for whom that episode of South Park most applies. He doesn't have characterization, they just put him in a different costume to make whatever reference they want to make at the time, and he does it in a bad Paul Lynde voice.
Yeah, I haven't really subscribed to South Park's view of Seth MacFarlane & co. I never felt it necessary for a joke to blend into the episode's overall narrative. I think Roger's hilarious, and not just a thing to hang misfitting jokes on.
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Old September 24 2013, 05:40 AM   #35
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Interesting question!

Some violence, or maybe it's the attitude toward violence-as-entertainment. I think Tarantino's Death Proof is violence not done right, and I think Rambo IV is violence done right. Jackass: wrong. Penn & Teller: right. CSI: wrong. The Walking Dead: right.

I don't find Family Guy type violence entertaining, just provocative. Like comedy of violating norms vs creating a new perspective. It's one thing to tell a story or make a discovery; it's quite another to just disgust people and call your work as an entertainer done.

The Hangover is violence done wrong, but it's funny, and if you're funny all is forgiven. That was Michael Richard's problem; he lost the thread of humor and allowed it to turn to vitriol. Also, racism was his problem - as it is for a lot more people than who reveal it publicly.

Also - the club manager should have headed off the problem quietly and not left it up to the act. The club manager bears a direct responsibility in Richard's debacle. The odd heckle is funny. A constant disturbance to the show is the manager's problem.

Also I just want to say, if you've seen Richards in Seinfeld's Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, you can see he certainly paid a price for that incident, and appears thoroughly contrite, and certainly smarter career-wise.


So yeah, racism is ugly and personally I don't find much entertainment value in the promotion of stereotype - nor in its opposite evangelistic cultural relativism. Perfectly distributed diversity and constant reminders not to "possibly" offend people - while at the same time embracing offensiveness when it challenges convention.

Either you want to focus on differences or not.



Then again, I try no to objectify humanity so that might put me in the minority where human degradation is concerned.

Sorry I guess I went mental instead of visual.
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Old September 24 2013, 01:47 PM   #36
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The never-ending laugh of Peter Griffin and the hideous voice of Chris blast out over half the enjoyment while watching FAMILY GUY.
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Old September 24 2013, 02:43 PM   #37
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I gotta say Bob's Burgers as well. The whole look of the show is so ugly and r eulsive it's unwatchable even in small snippits like the ads. ugh.
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But seriously, sounds like all you Bob's Burgers haters here either didn't give the show a chance or had a bad first experience with it. Definitely give it another chance, because the show's hilarious. I like to think the bad animation gives it some charm.
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Old September 24 2013, 03:03 PM   #38
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Taken the other direction i liked Royal Pains in part because everybody in The Hamptons wasn't overwhelming beautiful like the cast and extras on Revenge
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Old September 24 2013, 05:28 PM   #39
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By the way everyone, I am a "she."
Oops! Sorry about that.

Although I suppose we can be forgiven some confusion given that Spot was known to change gender on occasion!
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Old September 24 2013, 05:33 PM   #40
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I gotta say Bob's Burgers as well. The whole look of the show is so ugly and r eulsive it's unwatchable even in small snippits like the ads. ugh.
Wait, what are you talking about?





But seriously, sounds like all you Bob's Burgers haters here either didn't give the show a chance or had a bad first experience with it. Definitely give it another chance, because the show's hilarious. I like to think the bad animation gives it some charm.
That episode is absolutely hilarious and made me decide to give Bob's Burgers another go and I haven't regretted it!
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Old September 24 2013, 06:28 PM   #41
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I think Tarantino's Death Proof is violence not done right, and I think Rambo IV is violence done right.
They both get ugly and intense, though DEATH PROOF's is a lot less frequent....maybe more brutal in the infamously gruesome ten seconds during the car crash moments. Is it that extra gruesomeness which makes it bad in your view, or the pleasure Tarantino obviously gets out of it? Is RAMBO IV done right because it's not as gross.....or more conventional while still over-the-top meat-and-potatoes violence?
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Old September 24 2013, 07:47 PM   #42
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Oops! Sorry about that.

Although I suppose we can be forgiven some confusion given that Spot was known to change gender on occasion!

Well done; you earned that one.
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Old September 24 2013, 08:49 PM   #43
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I think Tarantino's Death Proof is violence not done right, and I think Rambo IV is violence done right.
They both get ugly and intense, though DEATH PROOF's is a lot less frequent....maybe more brutal in the infamously gruesome ten seconds during the car crash moments. Is it that extra gruesomeness which makes it bad in your view, or the pleasure Tarantino obviously gets out of it? Is RAMBO IV done right because it's not as gross.....or more conventional while still over-the-top meat-and-potatoes violence?

Well foxhot, thanks for considering this idea and thanks for not pigeonholing it as the 80's superhero Rambo of First Blood II.

First, let me say that Tarantino is awesome with or without my opinion. But in my opinion his approach, as illustrated in Death Proof, and Stallone's approach in Rambo IV both go off the charts in terms of raw, graphic violence. Personally I think Stallone depicted a greater scope of violence, from subtle personal characteristics/story to en masse wholesale meat grinding. Tarantino's violence is more of a thrilling time bomb you can hear ticking the entire time.

I wouldn't call Rambo IV quite the same species as Rambo II. IV depicted violence through a lens of humaneness - and even Tarantino does that for brief moments, such as at the end of Pulp Fiction, with Sam Jackon's speech.

I'm not sure how to define these differences. I'll try. Death Proof - Tarantino's "worst" as he put it, but still standing with the rest of his seminal filmography - reveled in objective violence. His characters are jaded and their motives selfish. The violence that stems from their experiences - seems meaningless.

Stallone's violence was more subjective. He used violence like a brush to paint something beautiful out of the gore. His characters are not the lovers of violence that Tarantino's are. Stallone's characters battle with violence and so doing are somehow lifted from it. Tarantino's characters sink with it.

This is all just how I took these films, I'm sure I missed some facets of these multilayered works.

At the end of Death Proof, I was grossed out (not by visuals, but emotions). At the end of Rambo IV, I was at peace and a better person for having seen it. Stallone used violence as a spiritual catalyst. I think few understand the franchise like he does. Maybe I just personally prefer the warrior's view of violence rather than the flickjunkie's.


To put it another way: just like a comedian can say almost anything as long as it's funny, a director can film almost anything as long as it's "internalizable."

It's not the gore. It's the reason behind the gore that determines if it's entertainment for some. Otherwise it's like porn with all closeup shots - just the plumbing, no pique. May as well watch paint dry. Still, Tarantino is required viewing, period.



By the way - I was extremely impressed with the visuals of Sin City as compared with Frank Miller's original comic. They freaking nailed it. Am I the only one who used to entertain himself redrawing pages from that comic?
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Old September 24 2013, 11:10 PM   #44
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Have to be honest here. I've only seen RAMBO IV once. I've seen the hilarious DEATH PROOF ending multiple times. I'll take it over RAMBO IV....but if I could have only five Stallone films on a desert island, they'd be NIGHTHAWKS, CLIFFHANGER, LOCK UP,COPLAND, and, believe it or not, RAMBO III. Though I didn't care for RAMBO: FIRST BLOOD PART 2 at all I still respected RAMBO III for its ironically successful mission to top Part 2. In its own weird way, it worked.
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Not Demolition Man?
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