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Old October 12 2013, 02:10 AM   #61
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We should also bear in mind that the NX class was the first warp 5 ship. Maybe Starfleet could build their old slow ships more like your TNG-era approach, but with the new ships they saw that this design is too weak. So they changed their later designs to "endo skeleton with compartments" and then in TMP they reached the tech level to slowly go for the lighter "exoskeleton with hull filled with modules" again.
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Old October 12 2013, 02:29 AM   #62
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I just saw pictures of the NX-02 Columbia under construction and thought it looks more like the "exoskeleton with hull filled with modules approach" you, Nob Akimoto, propose for the TNG-era.

http://www.neutralzone.de/database/P...Columbia02.htm
That's the alternate timeline. NX-01 already had some form of structural integrity fields back in the 22nd century; different technical progression there.
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Old October 12 2013, 02:33 AM   #63
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New side-bar. Warp nacelle design and field configuration.
YES! Finally a good explanation for the different shapes of Starfleet vessels and their warp nacelles. It even applies perfectly for old ships like the Excelsior.

Your text also reminded me of an idea I recently had about the Galaxy class development. There is a third ship with Galaxy-class nacelles, the Challenger. That odd nacelle over nacelle design.
I think of it as a technology testbed especially for the new warp engines. On that ship they would be tested before implemented into the Nebula and Galaxy classes.
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Old October 12 2013, 02:55 AM   #64
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That's the alternate timeline. NX-01 already had some form of structural integrity fields back in the 22nd century; different technical progression there.
Not neccessarily, there are things which speak for it being the alternate timeline (I suppose you mean the Abramsverse) and things speaking against that, like the last episode of Enterprise. If things are as muddled as Enterprise, I think it's a matter of opinion. Since I don't like NuTrek, but I like Enterprise (at least in part) I want it to be part of the prime timeline, so I'm searching for ways to reconcile that series with it.
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Old October 12 2013, 02:59 AM   #65
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Yeah, the Challenger makes sense as a testbed. Though the name doesn't make a lot of sense unless NCC-71099 (named presumably in honor of OV-99) was commissioned after the testbed Challenger was prematurely decommissioned. (perhaps an accident?)
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Old October 12 2013, 03:07 AM   #66
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Challenger, as in "challenge every warp engine build to this point".

As for the accident, yeah, maybe even a TMP-style wormhole effect.
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Old October 12 2013, 03:17 AM   #67
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Also, interestingly Enterprise was a common testbed name for things like steam ships back in the day.
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Old October 12 2013, 03:23 AM   #68
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Yeah. Enterprise, Challenger, Endeavor, Venture ... all good names for something new and bold.
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Old October 12 2013, 03:25 AM   #69
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That's the alternate timeline. NX-01 already had some form of structural integrity fields back in the 22nd century; different technical progression there.
Not neccessarily, there are things which speak for it being the alternate timeline (I suppose you mean the Abramsverse) and things speaking against that, like the last episode of Enterprise.
Let me get this straight: you liked "These are the Voyages" but you DIDN'T like the last two Star Trek movies?

If things are as muddled as Enterprise, I think it's a matter of opinion.
It's ALWAYS a matter of opinion, but we know for a fact that Enterprise is part of the Abrams timeline even if we do not for certain know this of the TOS timeline. Otherwise, it's just one more thing that cannot really BE reconciled between Enterprise and the rest of trek canon.
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Old October 12 2013, 03:34 AM   #70
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I don't think he said he liked TATV, just that he liked Enterprise but not Abramsflicks.

Also tie-in material at least tells us ENT is part of the Trek Timeline writ large, so I don't think it's a useful divergence point.
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Old October 12 2013, 03:47 AM   #71
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Let me get this straight: you liked "These are the Voyages" but you DIDN'T like the last two Star Trek movies?
I knew I shouldn't have deleted the "(awful)" in front of "last episode of Enterprise".

No really, what I meant is that it's just a (rather strong) bit of canonical information supporting the stance of that series being part of the prime timeline. It was an example.
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Old October 12 2013, 04:42 AM   #72
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I don't actually recall a SIF being mentioned in ENT. What I do remember is Trip and Reed talking about making the ship's structural integrity (no field) bear the brunt of the phase cannon recoil. Poking around at Memory Alpha, there's also mention of NX-01 suffering all sorts of nasty stress microfractures during her mission in the Delphic Expanse and that they needed hull polarization to overcome it.

So there's definitely not an SIF in the way we know it in the 24th century going on in ENT.
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Old October 12 2013, 05:41 AM   #73
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I think of it as a technology testbed especially for the new warp engines. On that ship they would be tested before implemented into the Nebula and Galaxy classes.
Do wish the Pegasus had used one of the Wolf 359 models instead of an Oberth.
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Old October 13 2013, 11:27 PM   #74
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I really like and agree with what the latest sidebar has to offer on warp nacelles and warp field. I am a bit surprised you didn't discuss the concept of "subspace drag" at all, though, which seems to be responsible for a lot of the "streamlining" seen on starships.

Regarding SIF in the ENT era, I could see polarized hull plating somehow being a predecessor to the modern SIF, and I would also find it likely that the ENT era were probably assembled as one big pressure compartment, with areas like the catamarans that didn't need to be pressurized, not being pressurized at all.
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Old October 14 2013, 12:09 AM   #75
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Well "subspace drag" I think is going to come on the "hull design" side-bar, rather than the nacelle one. Also I think the longer nacelles and the "longer" hull geometry in the Excelsior also involves transwarp in that, perhaps Starfleet designers, finally having found out about peak transition thresholds, were then convinced that their transwarp project could let them cross additional thresholds with a really elongated warp nacelle design that would project the needed field.

Just food for thought.
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