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Old September 21 2013, 11:56 PM   #1
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Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

You never see a Genesis device used after Khan. By TNG era, "terraforming" is a group of deeply weird scientists zapping sand with laser beams.

That seems like pretty handy technology to just walk away from. So what happened?
  • was there a treaty between species to stop building that sort of thing?
  • did the science die with David Marcus?
  • was the device just a one off, the particular 'protomatter' mix being an impossible thing to duplicate
Or does 31 blast mostly lifeless worlds all the time with the things outside of view?
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Old September 22 2013, 12:06 AM   #2
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

Likely a combination of David taking the secret to the grave, the research being wiped at Regula 1 or if they did recreate the research and found out the protomatter was the only answer they might have ditched it, and treaties in the wake of the blow back from the use of the one torpedo.
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Old September 22 2013, 01:09 AM   #3
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

All actual research materials regarding Project Genesis was wiped from every Federation database, transferred to old-fashioned hardcopy, and locked away in a big wooden box in a secret warehouse that allegedly also houses other very dangerous items, including the Ark of the Covenant.
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Old September 22 2013, 03:58 AM   #4
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

I'd imagine as big controversy it drawed (having the ability to wipe out entire planets in favor of its new matrix), I'd imagine a treaty and ban was put in place to ensure its WMD potential was never realized. As a matter of fact, the thing could possibly wipe out a solar system if deonated close enout to a star. (any space body for that matter).
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Old September 22 2013, 04:41 AM   #5
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

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All actual research materials regarding Project Genesis was wiped from every Federation database, transferred to old-fashioned hardcopy, and locked away in a big wooden box in a secret warehouse that allegedly also houses other very dangerous items, including the Ark of the Covenant.
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Old September 22 2013, 05:21 AM   #6
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

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You never see a Genesis device used after Khan. By TNG era, "terraforming" is a group of deeply weird scientists zapping sand with laser beams.
You'll dismiss it as "not canon", but there are TNG era novels by John Vornholt called "Genesis Wave" (a trilogy, the first two featuring elderly Carol Marcus and Maltz) and "Genesis Force".
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Old September 22 2013, 07:18 AM   #7
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

^ Maybe not canon, but definitely a great series of novels.
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Old September 22 2013, 07:53 AM   #8
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

You'd think a planet destroying weapon is something that would be useful during the Dominion War. Hard to believe Section 31 wouldn't pursue it if the knowledge was still there. Carol must have destroyed all her and David's research.
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Old September 22 2013, 11:11 AM   #9
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You'd think a planet destroying weapon is something that would be useful during the Dominion War.
The UFP would destroy planets to win a war?
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Old September 22 2013, 05:02 PM   #10
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

I always assumed it was a combination of the rest of the scientific community going "Protomatter? Ew" and David taking certain details with him when he died. Apparently his mother didn't even know he used protomatter in the matrix...
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Old September 22 2013, 05:26 PM   #11
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

CorporalClegg wrote: View Post
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All actual research materials regarding Project Genesis was wiped from every Federation database, transferred to old-fashioned hardcopy, and locked away in a big wooden box in a secret warehouse that allegedly also houses other very dangerous items, including the Ark of the Covenant.
Kivas Fajo runs the place.
I've seen the place. Warehouse 13.

I thought he looked familiar.
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Old September 22 2013, 06:10 PM   #12
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

Therin of Andor wrote: View Post
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You'd think a planet destroying weapon is something that would be useful during the Dominion War.
The UFP would destroy planets to win a war?
General Order 24 seems to imply that the answer to that question is yes.
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Old September 22 2013, 06:48 PM   #13
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Re: Did they just abandond research on more Genesis torpedos?

Between the protomatter making it a failure for its original purpose; David probably taking the formula with him to the grave, since apparently nobody else knew what was in the secret sauce; the controversy that it stirred with the Klingons; and the lesson of history that if the Federation was able to make more, it would only be a matter of time before their rivals also acquired the know-how...I think there are plenty of reasons that this never saw the light of day again.
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Old September 22 2013, 08:47 PM   #14
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The UFP would destroy planets to win a war?
In the case of a total war (as opposed to a border skirmish) likely yes they would. And if the example of the genesis cave shows that it can be used on a limited area, and not solely on a planetary scale, then it's use would be even more likely.

How many of your own military personnel and civilian population are you willing to have killed and injured, just so you can proudly say you didn't kill your enemies in large numbers?

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Old September 22 2013, 09:42 PM   #15
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I would have liked to have seen it actually work well, being used to fix Ceti Alpha V, or if there were a crossover between universes, to turn the Death Star into Alderan as it was the moment it was destroyed. A nice Dr. Who "everyone lives" moment to wrap things up.
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